Is Ali a bit overrated ?

[Tiozzo]

Ali is good but he is a bit overrated.

haha I see you have edited your post... because a second ago, it was written : ''Ali is good but he is a bit overrated. Trinidad is the GOAT.''

I guess you realized it was not the place to nuthug Tito

[Tiozzo]

i would say yes.....but only a little bit.....alot of people feel that he lost all 3 bouts with Norton, he also lost fight 1 to Smokin Joe..... comparitively Foreman crushed Frazier and Norton. If they foguht 3 times i would think Foreman would have won 2 of 3......i have Foreman and Ali rated almost equally in my ATG rankings.......

ppl wax lyrical about Ali being the greatest........ask any man on the street they will say Ali.....they prob never seen him fight or know anything about the sport......he is excellent no doubt.....but i think over rated a little bit......he didn't go to the body........

I don't think Foreman could have beaten Ali in a rematch,,, but I respect your opinion

it's true he didn't go to the body, he was a head hunter, a good head hunter, but going to the body is important, so it is a flaw in his game yes definitely

[Tiozzo]

Ali fought Moore, Cooper 2x, Liston 2x, Patterson 2x, Frazier 3x, Norton 2x, Spinks 2x, Forman, and Holmes. Plus, he was a voice to a group of people. I wouldn't call him overrated even though he never threw a body punch and didn't have a defense. The man fought the best.

his defense was pretty flawed yes, he doesn't have parkinson disease for no reason (no disrespect, it's the truth)

unbelievable chin though

[Tiozzo]

No he ain't...

His resume and charisma is there staring at you...

[Fighting Marine]

**** thread.........

weak argument by the TS....

yawn im out

[Vadrigar.]

Ali is not overrated. If you call Ali overrated than ray Robinson is also overrated.

[Tiozzo]

**** thread.........

weak argument by the TS....

yawn im out

go enjoy your ******* pictures stone

:wank:

http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?t=356820

and leave the boxing talk to men

[Vadrigar.]

i would say yes.....but only a little bit.....alot of people feel that he lost all 3 bouts with Norton, he also lost fight 1 to Smokin Joe..... comparitively Foreman crushed Frazier and Norton. If they foguht 3 times i would think Foreman would have won 2 of 3......i have Foreman and Ali rated almost equally in my ATG rankings.......

ppl wax lyrical about Ali being the greatest........ask any man on the street they will say Ali.....they prob never seen him fight or know anything about the sport......he is excellent no doubt.....but i think over rated a little bit......he didn't go to the body........

He was so great that he didn't need to use body punching. Please, Muhammad ali is not overrated. It is hard to say ENOUGH good things about him.

And one thing I have to say to you TS, you are clutching the thinnest of straws here. Ali's supposed "robbery" fights were no where near robberies.

[Tiozzo]

He was so great that he didn't need to use body punching. Please, Muhammad ali is not overrated. It is hard to say ENOUGH good things about him.

And one thing I have to say to you TS, you are clutching the thinnest of straws here. Ali's supposed "robbery" fights were no where near robberies.

you are obviously not the slightest objective for many reasons :

you are probably ****** just like Ali
Ali is probably your favorite fighter, as your account name suggests
you have a mohamed in your avatar (don't know how to say it in another way, I don't mean to be disrespectful)

Young was a pure robbery, something your unconditional love for Ali will prevent you from admitting/realizing

and there is a strong case to say Shavers, Norton II and III were robberies (apparently)

you're being too emotional, Ali is a great fighter, I just wonder if he's not a bit overrated, and people who have posted came up with good points as to why he's not overrated and as to why he might be a bit overrated

these are just discussions, you take it too seriously

[Vadrigar.]

you are obviously not the slightest objective for many reasons :

you are probably ****** just like Ali
Ali is probably your favorite fighter, as your account name suggests
you have a mohamed in your avatar (don't know how to say it in another way, I don't mean to be disrespectful)

Young was a pure robbery, something your unconditional love for Ali will prevent you from admitting/realizing

and there is a strong case to say Shavers, Norton II and III were robberies (apparently)

you're being too emotional, Ali is a great fighter, I just wonder if he's not a bit overrated, and people who have posted came up with good points as to why he's not overrated and as to why he might be a bit overrated

these are just discussions, you take it too seriously

Young was not a robbery. Ali won that fight in my opinion. Shavers admitted that ali beat him, Ali clearly beat Norton the 2nd and 3rd time.

Ali is not just a great fighter, he is the greatest of all time. It is impossible to overrate him.

I am quite annoyed when you question Ali's record, i laughed when you compared it to holyfield. That alone is ridiculous.

By consensus Muhammad ail is the greatest of all time. He may have the greatest resume of all time, look:

Opponent Type Rd., Time Date Location Notes
Loss Trevor Berbick Decision (unanimous) 10 (10) 1981-12-11 Nassau, Ba*****
Loss Larry Holmes TKO 10 (15) 1980-10-02 Las Vegas, NV Match was for WBC Heavyweight title
Win Leon Spinks Decision (unanimous) 15 (15) 1978-09-15 New Orleans, LA Won WBA Heavyweight title;
Vacated title on 1979-09-06
Loss Leon Spinks Decision (split) 15 (15) 1978-02-15 Las Vegas, NV Lost WBA/WBC Heavyweight titles
Win Earnie Shavers Decision (unanimous) 15 (15) 1977-09-29 New York City, NY Retained WBA/WBC Heavyweight titles
Win Alfredo Evangelista Decision (unanimous) 15 (15) 1977-05-16 Landover, MD Retained WBA/WBC Heavyweight titles
Win Ken Norton Decision (unanimous) 15 (15) 1976-09-28 The Bronx, New York Retained WBA/WBC Heavyweight titles
Win Richard Dunn TKO 5 (15) 1976-05-24 Munich, Germany Retained WBA/WBC Heavyweight titles
Win Jimmy Young Decision (unanimous) 15 (15) 1976-04-30 Landover, MD Retained WBA/WBC Heavyweight titles
Win Jean-Pierre Coopman KO 5 (15) 1976-02-20 San Juan, Puerto Rico Retained WBA/WBC Heavyweight titles
Win Joe Frazier TKO 14 (15), 0:59 1975-10-01 Quezon City, Philippines "The Thrilla in Manila";
Retained WBA/WBC Heavyweight titles
Win Joe Bugner Decision (unanimous) 15 (15) 1975-06-30 Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia Retained WBA/WBC Heavyweight titles
Win Ron Lyle TKO 11 (15) 1975-05-16 Las Vegas, NV Retained WBA/WBC Heavyweight titles
Win Chuck Wepner TKO 15 (15), 2:41 1975-03-24 Richfield, OH Retained WBA/WBC Heavyweight titles
Win George Foreman KO 8 (15), 2:58 1974-10-30 Kinshasa, Zaire "The Rumble in the Jungle";
Won WBA/WBC Heavyweight titles
Win Joe Frazier Decision (unanimous) 12 (12) 1974-01-28 New York City, NY Retained NABF Heavyweight title;
Vacated title later in 1974
Win Rudi Lubbers Decision (unanimous) 12 (12) 1973-10-20 Jakarta, Indonesia
Win Ken Norton Decision (split) 12 (12) 1973-09-10 Inglewood, CA Won NABF Heavyweight title
Loss Ken Norton Decision (split) 12 (12) 1973-03-31 San Diego, CA Lost NABF Heavyweight title
Win Joe Bugner Decision (unanimous) 12 (12) 1973-02-14 Las Vegas, NV
Win Bob Foster KO 7 (12) 1972-11-21 Stateline, NV Retained NABF Heavyweight title
Win Floyd Patterson TKO 7 (12) 1972-09-20 New York City, NY Retained NABF Heavyweight title
Win Alvin Lewis TKO 11 (12), 1:15 1972-07-19 Dublin, Ireland
Win Jerry Quarry TKO 7 (12), 0:19 1972-06-27 Las Vegas, NV Retained NABF Heavyweight title
Win George Chuvalo Decision (unanimous) 12 (12) 1972-05-01 Vancouver, Canada Retained NABF Heavyweight title
Win Mac Foster Decision (unanimous) 15 (15) 1972-04-01 Tokyo, Japan
Win Jürgen Blin KO 7 (12), 2:12 1971-12-26 Zurich, Switzerland
Win Buster Mathis Decision (unanimous) 12 (12) 1971-11-17 Houston, TX Retained NABF Heavyweight title
Win Jimmy Ellis TKO 12 (12), 2:10 1971-07-26 Houston, TX Won vacant NABF Heavyweight title
Loss Joe Frazier Decision (unanimous) 15 (15) 1971-03-08 New York City, NY "The Fight of the Century";
Match was for WBA/WBC Heavyweight
titles
Win Oscar Bonavena TKO 15 (15), 2:03 1970-12-07 New York City, NY Won NABF Heavyweight title;
Vacated title in 1971
Win Jerry Quarry TKO 3 (15) 1970-10-26 Atlanta, GA
Win Zora Folley KO 7 (15), 1:48 1967-03-22 New York City, NY Retained WBA/WBC Heavyweight titles;
Stripped of titles on 1967-04-28
Win Ernie Terrell Decision (unanimous) 15 (15) 1967-02-06 Houston, TX Retained WBC Heavyweight title,
Won WBA Heavyweight title
Win Cleveland Williams TKO 3 (15) 1966-11-14 Houston, TX Retained WBC Heavyweight title
Win Karl Mildenberger TKO 12 (15) 1966-09-10 Frankfurt, Germany Retained WBC Heavyweight title
Win Brian London KO 3 (15) 1966-08-06 London England Retained WBC Heavyweight title
Win Henry Cooper TKO 6 (15), 1:38 1966-05-21 London, England Retained WBC Heavyweight title
Win George Chuvalo Decision (unanimous) 15 (15) 1966-03-29 Toronto, Canada Retained WBC Heavyweight title
Win Floyd Patterson TKO 12 (15), 2:18 1965-11-22 Las Vegas, NV Retained WBC Heavyweight title
Win Sonny Liston KO 1 (15), 2:12 1965-05-25 Lewiston, ME Retained WBC Heavyweight title
Win Sonny Liston TKO 7 (15) 1964-02-25 Miami Beach, FL Won WBA/WBC Heavyweight titles;
Stripped of WBA title on 1964-06-19
Win Henry Cooper TKO 5 (10), 2:15 1963-06-18 London, England
Win Doug Jones Decision (unanimous) 10 (10) 1963-03-13 New York City, NY
Win Charley Powell KO 3, 2:04 1963-01-24 Pittsburgh, PA
Win Archie Moore TKO 4 (10), 1:35 1962-11-15 Los Angeles, CA
Win Alejandro Lavorante KO 5 (10), 1:48 1962-07-20 Los Angeles, CA
Win Billy Daniels TKO 7 (10), 2:21 1962-05-19 Los Angeles, CA
Win George Logan TKO 4 (10), 1:34 1962-04-23 New York City, NY
Win Don Warner TKO 4, 0:34 1962-03-28 Miami Beach, FL
Win Sonny Banks TKO 4 (10), 0:26 1962-02-10 New York City, NY
Win Willi Besmanoff TKO 7 (10), 1:55 1961-11-29 Louisville, KY
Win Alex Miteff TKO 6 (10), 1:45 1961-10-07 Louisville, KY
Win Alonzo Johnson Decision (unanimous) 10 (10) 1961-07-22 Louisville, KY
Win Duke Sabedong Decision (unanimous) 10 (10) 1961-06-26 Las Vegas, NV
Win LaMar Clark KO 2 (10), 1:27 1961-04-19 Louisville, KY
Win Donnie Fleeman TKO 7 (8) 1961-02-21 Miami Beach, FL
Win Jimmy Robinson KO 1 (8), 1:34 1961-02-07 Miami Beach, FL
Win Tony Esperti TKO 3 (8), 1:30 1961-01-17 Miami Beach, FL
Win Herb Siler KO 4 (8) 1960-12-27 Miami Beach, FL
Win Tunney Hunsaker Decision (unanimous) 6 (6) 1960-10-29 Louisville, KY