Is Shane Mosley an ATG?

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I don't even understand where people get that from. The best guy Shane fought at 135 was Holliday and he looked dung in that bout.

People often say Shane suddenly lost something by going to 147, but the only thing I thought he really lost was his size advantage as he was a huge LW, and Mosley said he was having problems @ 135 anyway and it was affecting him physically. He looked as good, if not better, as ever in his WW fights (besides Rivera) before the Forrest fight. Wise, De La Hoya 1, Diaz, Taylor, Stone, he looked awesome in those fights. Oscar was by leaps and bounds the best fighter he had ever faced in his career and Mosley looked sensational in that fight.

He just faced a real tough matchup in Forrest, there were no guys like him down at lightweight.

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ATG is very subjective. What is it? Top 20? Top 50? Top 100? Different criteria for different people. I don't have a problem with either opinion, but he was a terrific fighter.

[Khalid X]

Mosley won't get a pass. Neither will anyone else suspected in this era. This era - the one of PEDs - has completely changed fan perspective. It used to be, in previous generations, in other sports that fans didn't care about it either. Not anymore.

I don't know, maybe your right. IMO only time will tell how these guys careers are viewed and how fans perceive them. I feel Mosley will get a pass because honestly, until Floyd bought up OST, most fans seem to not care that Mosley was caught up in the BALCO scandal. There wasn't an outcry to get him suspended, any discrediting of his past wins, hell there wasn't even anyone drilling him to find out when he started cheating and what fights he shouldn't get credit for. Again, this is just how I see things from how everything went down (Shane's PED use).

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I don't know, maybe your right. IMO only time will tell how these guys careers are viewed and how fans perceive them. I feel Mosley will get a pass because honestly, until Floyd bought up OST, most fans seem to not care that Mosley was caught up in the BALCO scandal. There wasn't an outcry to get him suspended, any discrediting of his past wins, hell there wasn't even anyone drilling him to find out when he started cheating and what fights he shouldn't get credit for. Again, this is just how I see things from how everything went down (Shane's PED use).

Shane's PED use has definitely hampered him. Look at this thread - it's already been brought up!

Look O.S.I.R.I.S., I understand why you're saying this. You basically said the same thing over and over in the past and that people wouldn't care if Manny was juicing, etc. Sorry, guys like Mosley and other stars who may be caught going forward are going to have to deal with the consequences.

[Khalid X]

ATG is very subjective. What is it? Top 20? Top 50? Top 100? Different criteria for different people. I don't have a problem with either opinion, but he was a terrific fighter.

I agree it is very subjective. My criteria is:

#1 that have to be considered one of the best in their own era, are the fighters in their generation.
#2 they have to be considered one of the best in comparison to fighters in the history of their division or divisions they have fought in.
#3 I feel they have to be amongst the top 50-75 greatest fighters of all-time. As time passes and more and more great fighters come and go, then I feel it should be extended to a top 100.

But yeah it is very subjective and others may have different criteria for what an ATG truly is.

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People often say Shane suddenly lost something by going to 147, but the only thing I thought he really lost was his size advantage as he was a huge LW, and Mosley said he was having problems @ 135 anyway and it was affecting him physically. He looked as good, if not better, as ever in his WW fights (besides Rivera) before the Forrest fight. Wise, De La Hoya 1, Diaz, Taylor, Stone, he looked awesome in those fights. Oscar was by leaps and bounds the best fighter he had ever faced in his career and Mosley looked sensational in that fight.

He just faced a real tough matchup in Forrest, there were no guys like him down at lightweight.

Agreed 100%. I thought the move up definitely helped him. I wasn't blown away by the Rivera performance either and the Wise bout was kinda strange but yeah, that first Oscar bout was ridiculous. Put all his LW bouts to shame.

[Khalid X]

Shane's PED use has definitely hampered him. Look at this thread - it's already been brought up!

Look O.S.I.R.I.S., I understand why you're saying this. You basically said the same thing over and over in the past and that people wouldn't care if Manny was juicing, etc. Sorry, guys like Mosley and other stars who may be caught going forward are going to have to deal with the consequences.

I agree that I have said the same thing over and over again...lol. No lie but I truly believe that will happen, and while I don't agree that it's right, baseball is full of garbage like that. I swear I watched a special not to long ago that brought up A-rod's legacy and the amount of nuthugging and minimizing of his PED use led me to make a statement like that. I mean this was a show full of baseball historians, that included former legendary players, as well as boxing's own Bert Sugar.

Honestly I have stated that if Manny or any other athlete is juicing then they deserve face the consequences 100%. I agree with you on that, but at the same time I'm just making my remarks based on how the American media treats individuals they favor vs guys that aren't liked. America is a society that will spin blatant wrong doing if it fits a certain agenda. I just think Shane is considered a "Good Guy" and people will brush his actions under the rug. I might be totally wrong, and honestly I hope I am, but I do know this; if it was Floyd that got busted he would have got ran out the sport completely.....I'm willing to bet everything I love on it.

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I agree that I have said the same thing over and over again...lol. No lie but I truly believe that will happen, and while I don't agree that it's right, baseball is full of garbage like that. I swear I watched a special not to long ago that brought up A-rod's legacy and the amount of nuthugging and minimizing of his PED use led me to make a statement like that. I mean this was a show full of baseball historians, that included former legendary players, as well as boxing's own Bert Sugar.

Honestly I have stated that if Manny or any other athlete is juicing then they deserve face the consequences 100%. I agree with you on that, but at the same time I'm just making my remarks based on how the American media treats individuals they favor vs guys that aren't liked. America is a society that will spin blatant wrong doing if it fits a certain agenda. I just think Shane is considered a "Good Guy" and people will brush his actions under the rug. I might be totally wrong, and honestly I hope I am, but I do know this; if it was Floyd that got busted he would have got ran out the sport completely.....I'm willing to bet everything I love on it.

Unfortunately, Shane is forever tainted. That's just the way it goes.

[Mr. Philadel]

Hell no. Not even close............

you buggin big time my dude....not even close?!?!?...wow!!