Show Me A Fight Were 2 Lbs Changed the Outcome

[poeticlsykuac]

These guys are jokes there are several fights where two pounds made a huge difference, Corrales-Castillo 2 the most notable. Morales was also weight drained and tried to fight Pacman at 135 because he was already weak at 130 and they again weight drained him, this time Morales out grew the weight and had bad legs like he complained about in the 6th-8th round. Morales was schooling him to, made a huge difference in weight.

Fact is Pacman has yet to face a healthy prime fighter and win. He had a draw against JMM got a lucky decision in the second fight. Pacman hasn't even faced a healthy fighter in a long time. Clottey being the exception, but he is a punching bag with a good defense.

Roach will not put Pacman in a fight where they don't have a advantage of some sort, weight drain seems to be their favorite. They don't want a fair fight plain and simple, they don't fight people that are in their prime, they don't fight people that haven't been beat in wars, they don't fight people at proper weight classes. They won't drug test.

I mean seriously I like Pacman but he has great match makers who are very good at negotiating contracts, nothing more. Pacman would have had a harder time with a guy who is use to fighting at his right weight, Cotto would have had better stamina, he would have also had more pop to his punches. His chin has always suffered from weight drain.

Pacman will get my respect when he fights fighters that have motion and are fighting with in their weight class in their prime. Bradley, Alexander, Miranda, etc. are all fighters he should be scrapping with. The 147 pound division isn't made for him, he has to cherry pick fighters or fight them at a disadvantage and I disagree with anything that is like that. Margarito for instance would be a terrible match for Pacman, someone use to being slower and having a ridiculous chin with a output to match him.

If it wasn't such a big deal why did professionals make sure they had a 145 pound weight limit? There is a reason people who know more about boxing than any of us fans wanted a weight limit lighter and it was to drain Cotto.

[Toney616]

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Morales couldn't make the weight anymore, which is why he fought Raheem at 135. He asked team Pac to fight at a catchweight of 132 lbs and their response was to introduce a weight penalty instead.

You can see the difference between Morales in the first two fights.

In the first one he is blocking Pacs straight lefts with his right hand, he is also using his legs more, as he circled to Pacs right, away from the straight left.

In the second fight you notice his reflexes are way off as he is constanly eating straight lefts, he was more stationary and he started to fade down the stretch, as can be expected from a fighter who is drained.

[ModernTalking]

These guys are jokes there are several fights where two pounds made a huge difference, Corrales-Castillo 2 the most notable. Morales was also weight drained and tried to fight Pacman at 135 because he was already weak at 130 and they again weight drained him, this time Morales out grew the weight and had bad legs like he complained about in the 6th-8th round. Morales was schooling him to, made a huge difference in weight.

Fact is Pacman has yet to face a healthy prime fighter and win. He had a draw against JMM got a lucky decision in the second fight. Pacman hasn't even faced a healthy fighter in a long time. Clottey being the exception, but he is a punching bag with a good defense.

Roach will not put Pacman in a fight where they don't have a advantage of some sort, weight drain seems to be their favorite. They don't want a fair fight plain and simple, they don't fight people that are in their prime, they don't fight people that haven't been beat in wars, they don't fight people at proper weight classes. They won't drug test.

I mean seriously I like Pacman but he has great match makers who are very good at negotiating contracts, nothing more. Pacman would have had a harder time with a guy who is use to fighting at his right weight, Cotto would have had better stamina, he would have also had more pop to his punches. His chin has always suffered from weight drain.

Pacman will get my respect when he fights fighters that have motion and are fighting with in their weight class in their prime. Bradley, Alexander, Miranda, etc. are all fighters he should be scrapping with. The 147 pound division isn't made for him, he has to cherry pick fighters or fight them at a disadvantage and I disagree with anything that is like that. Margarito for instance would be a terrible match for Pacman, someone use to being slower and having a ridiculous chin with a output to match him.

If it wasn't such a big deal why did professionals make sure they had a 145 pound weight limit? There is a reason people who know more about boxing than any of us fans wanted a weight limit lighter and it was to drain Cotto.

Because healthy prime fighter are afraid they could get kill in the ring.

[poeticlsykuac]

Or they are just afraid to put him in with prime good fighters as they are proving.

Valero, Diaz, Guzman, Bradley, Khan all called(ing) out Pacman fighters that are in their prime and wanted him. Nope nothing. They have yet to fight a fighter without some sort of advantage.

Sorry buddy but your were just proven wrong.

[ModernTalking]

Or they are just afraid to put him in with prime good fighters as they are proving.

Valero, Diaz, Guzman, Bradley, Khan all called(ing) out Pacman fighters that are in their prime and wanted him. Nope nothing. They have yet to fight a fighter without some sort of advantage.

Sorry buddy but your were just proven wrong.

Hahahahahaha....That's like a guy that now drive a BMW for a living and peoples want him to drive a Honda. I hope you know that Pac is the FIGHTER OF THE DECADE.

[r.burgundy]

I'm not made.

You're mad, you don't even know who the **** offered you a fight fool. I'm not that guy... cross eyes *****.

Anyway son. Let's bring it.

That pic, Cotto was angled... Do you udnerstand something called depth of perception? Do you understand that the human body looks thinner at certain angles? Nursery level stuff son.

Heck no matter what angle you look at your ****, it will always be small son.

Cotto was more defined than ever. He was healthy, he also stated it. He was fast, his body did not let him down in the ring. He connected and boxed pretty well actually.

You're making out that he was struggling to actually be in the fight. He did not deal with the speed and power. That was the key.

Cotto is not a bear hibernating for the winter son. He's a pro athelte whom goes down to maybe 4-5% fat. He's a world class athlete.

Fat around his hips is gonna help him do what in boxing? Will he benefit from that fat?

Look at his body VS Judah, clearly not as well defined.

As for super models, get the **** out of here you ****, talk about boxers you lil ****** *****.

Floyd looks good, Manny looks good, best boxers who train the hardest today. They are healthy. Where is their fat?

Damn son I'm spanking you like you dropped chocolate ice cream on my cream carpet.

lol

i think your missing what everybody else is saying

whats healthier,eating or starving?

in the case of pac/cotto,pac can still eat and come in fully healthy,while cotto has to starve himself down.when your starving those 2 lbs make a world of difference.that means that he has to train while taking in less than 1000 calories,meaning that he doesnt have much options to replenish what he loses thru training.of course he's gonna be ripped cause he literally has no fat left,which the body also will burn excess for energy if your not putting anything back in.

if all these big welters like cotto,rito,clottey,williams fought manny at 145,the results would be terrible.these guys dont need to be less than 154.a real ww div should have guys like floyd,hatton,manny,bradley,khan etc.guys who can make 145 lbs and still perform

in the case of marquez they agreed to a penalty if he couldnt make the weight.weight wasnt an issue cause this was a non-title payday for both guys.if floyd was trying to cheat he could've came in over 147.

[poeticlsykuac]

Hahahahahaha....That's like a guy that now drive a BMW for a living and peoples want him to drive a Honda. I hope you know that Pac is the FIGHTER OF THE DECADE.

And what does that have to do with draining fighters and taking drugs? What validity does that have against my statement? He won't fight genuine champions in their prime, what is your point? Why won't he fight these guys? It is so easy and he keeps fighting handicapped fights making his own rules with weight cut offs.

Fact is there are a lot more what if fights with Pacman than with PBF, we just don't like PBF for his character(I would love for PBF to get KO'd by Pacman). That said Pacman has done a lot of slippery things to get out of fighting genuinely healthy prime champions. Valero, Guzman, Diaz, all were prime and with in their weight class calling him out when it was their division, than he goes beats up a bad opponent and than he gets credit as being number one. He hasn't ever really beat the number one fighter in the division ever.

126 was a division that was all over the place. No true stand out in their prime.
Draw against JMM that a questionable W.
Never fought the king pin of 135(Only David Diaz REALLY?).
Never fought Bradley at 140 the king pin.
Never fought Mosley the king pin at 147.

Dude is gifted Lineal championships. Like him love his style but he has had some great management.

[chris123jack]

There's no chance in hell that floyd could make 144 lbs.. floyd is a huge WW, so no matter how floyd try he couldn't make the weight...... So the answer is we will never know.....

I agree with everything except for the part thats bold. Floyd isnt a huge welterweight but he stays in such good shape that his walking around weight is like 146 and if he cant make the weight using cardio or something he is not gone put himself at a disadvantage by draining himself. Thats why on fight night he is only 1 or 2 pounds heavier because he doesnt need to rehydrate.

For the Marquez fight, I dont think the 2 lbs would have mattered marquez would of gotten his ass beat either way.

For the cotto-pac fight, I dont think it was the 145 that hurt cotto its the not being able to rehydrate to over 150. Dont get me wrong I think cotto would still gotten beat but it would of been more competitive. I like cotto as a fighter he is a good dude he just not an elite fighter. He is like hatton, who won at 140 because he was able to overpower them but once he moved up he just wasnt ready for the true welterweights.

[chris123jack]

no. JMM wanted to fight mayweather because he couldnt get a third fight with pac and in his words said we are going to fight mayweather to see who the best p4p is. Does that sound like somebody who is just after a payday? Do you think he drank that piss and those quail eggs just for a payday? i dont think so. He went into the fight thinking he could win. and the hbo poll was pretty much 50 50 if i remember correctly.

If people put their hate for floyd and pride aside that poll would of been 100% for floyd. I dont care if floyd had been off for 4 years he still would of beaten marquez. Floyd is never out of shape, he stays in the gym. He may have a little ring rust when he gets in there but he will never be out of shape when he gets in the ring.

Sorry marquez fans but I dont care what weight the fight is at marquez would not win. How can you beat someone that can fight exactly how you fight but do it ten times better? If floyd had of let marquez fight as a counter puncher there would be way more uproar in these forums because if floyd had of been the aggressor JMM would of got the **** beat out of him.

[Pension-Killer]

lol, i am actually an artist so I know a thing or two about depth perception, but all you have to do is watch the damn FIGHT!!!!!!!!!! GO WATCH THE FIGHT!!!!!

YOU AINT SPANKING ****!!! YOU SEE HOW COTTO LOOKED ON THAT SCALE AGAINST JUDAH?? NOW GO LOOK AT HOW HE LOOKED IN THe FIGHT TRICK!!! I swear you fools seem not to understand what happens after a weigh in!!! weight is gained, but I wonder what kind of weight? if cotto fights at 160 on fight night, but weighs 147 in the weigh in, are you saying within a week time he put on 13 pounds of muscle? Of course not idiot!!! what did he put on!!! if it aint muscle, then what the hell is it!!!! ANSWER GENIUS? If you have a brain then answer, dont act like an aborted fetus!!!
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now look at the weigh in



where is the definition homey?? where is the chisled six pack homey?? You havent even been in any type of tournament fight, let alone professional!!!!!

You trying to tell me some **** about what you read on google, I have fought before, you havent, thats the difference.


DO I NEED TO POST CREDENTIALS???

CAN YOU POST CREDENTIALS? IN ANYTHING! AMATEUR WHATEVER, CAN YOU?

YOU STATED COTTO STATED HE WAS HEALTHY.... WELL IF your simple ass would read comments that I made prior you would see me saying cotto, hoya, and many more always say they are in the best shape of their life, but when they get in the ring that doesnt seem to be the case.....YOU ARE A HYPOCRITE!!

IN THE SAME BREATH YOU TALK ABOUT FIGHTERS SAYING THEY ARE IN THE BEST SHAPE AS IF THATS THE END TO IT, THEN YOU COME RIGHT BACK AND STATE THAT SHANE IS OLD, RUSTY, AND HIS LEGS ARE GONE, BUT DIDNT SHANE SAY "I AM IN THE BEST SHAPE OF MY LIFE"? SO IT ONLY APPLIES when it fits your point??? **** outta here.

Then you started talking about ****S.....

WHAT IS UP WITH ALL YOU ******S ON THIS SITE?? I swear every thread you go to someone is talking about ****s.....

I dont come here to talk about ****s, as that gay as hell.

You lost me with that.......
******.

Then you go all about gaining weight. I know it's water weight fool, so you tryig to say that 1 lb less than his last fight he coudln't gain up to 160? Fool.

As for Shane saying he;s in the best shape of his life, very evidence after 4 rounds. Definitely the ebst in his life... pretty sure his best shape was when he was on roids to tell you the truth.

All boxers say they in the best shape. Roy Jones VS hopkins 2, Roy was trying say he in great shape...

The evidence in in the ring fool.

As for beign an artist, you must be a ****** **** then if you have depth perception. How you gonna say Cotto looks smaller than pac when he was sideways and actually weighed more... Dumbass. LOL

so now you cant provide links boy? Didnt i ask you to provide links? So you have been just running your damn mouth huh?

And now you want my input..........., google it trick i was going to be generous, but find it yourself ***boy.

***** like I said, you're talking Cotto 145 VS Pac yet talk 160 VS anyone else. That's bull****.

When has Cotto weighed 160 in a weigh in? Or did he go in at 145 VS Pac in the ring? Hell no fool.


You getting spanked.