Comments Thread For: Klitschko Will Not Accept Povetkin's Drug Test Demands

[ShoulderRoll]

Wlad has never tested positive for steroids or any other banned substances in his life. Let's go over the history of sports cheats and see how many americans turn up, please entertain me, let's have a laugh.

I am well aware that many Americans have been busted for steroids too. That's why I favor testing ALL boxers.

You can't deny that there is a history of this in Eastern Europe though. Need I mention the East German swim team, or some of notorious weight lifting squads?

[Hitman932]

Wlad has never tested positive for steroids or any other banned substances in his life. Let's go over the history of sports cheats and see how many americans turn up, please entertain me, let's have a laugh.

This isn't an American or Russian thing. Period. This is a worldwide problem. At the same time I think it is greatly exaggerated.

In the history of Sports Cheating the worst was probably done by the East Germans. Practically every single one of their Olympic athletes were on heavy doses of steroids. These athletes didn't even have a choice in the matter, most of them were not caught and consequently to this day East German athletes hold world records than have endured for 20 years because nobody has been able to cheat at such a level since that time.

Back then steroids were ingrained in sports culture, they weren't taboo like today and the testing procedures were pathetic to say the least.

The fact that so many East German records have stood for so many years leads me to believe that nobody else has been able to cheat the drug tests as successfully in the past 2 decades. Despite the paranoia of so many people I actually believe sports are much cleaner today than at anytime in the past.

When it comes to Wlad I just don't see where the su****ion comes from. It's just ridiculous. For one thing if the guy was abusing anabolic steroids we would have seen a rise in his fighting weight at some point. Wlad has been the exact same size for about 4 years now, not something you typically see from steroid users.

Also, as someone with a PhD is sports medicine he is much more aware of the negative effects of steroid abuse on the human body.

He also has way too much lose and basically nothing to gain at this point in his career.

Common sense? Yes of course, but most people don't have any.

[Pirao]

I am well aware that many Americans have been busted for steroids too. That's why I favor testing ALL boxers.

You can't deny that there is a history of this in Eastern Europe though. Need I mention the East German swim team, or some of notorious weight lifting squads?

There is an history in eastern europe as much as there is in USA or anywhere else. Many athletes in pro sports use banned substances, no matter where they are from, you chose to single out eastern europeans though like they are the worst or something, which is ******.

[Pirao]

This isn't an American or Russian thing. Period. This is a worldwide problem. At the same time I think it is greatly exaggerated.

In the history of Sports Cheating the worst was probably done by the East Germans. Practically every single one of their Olympic athletes were on heavy doses of steroids. These athletes didn't even have a choice in the matter, most of them were not caught and consequently to this day East German athletes hold world records than have endured for 20 years because nobody has been able to cheat at such a level since that time.

Back then steroids were ingrained in sports culture, they weren't taboo like today and the testing procedures were pathetic to say the least.

The fact that so many East German records have stood for so many years leads me to believe that nobody else has been able to cheat the drug tests as successfully in the past 2 decades. Despite the paranoia of so many people I actually believe sports are much cleaner today than at anytime in the past.

When it comes to Wlad I just don't see where the su****ion comes from. It's just ridiculous. For one thing if the guy was abusing anabolic steroids we would have seen a rise in his fighting weight at some point. Wlad has been the exact same size for about 4 years now, not something you typically see from steroid users.

Also, as someone with a PhD is sports medicine he is much more aware of the negative effects of steroid abuse on the human body.

He also has way too much lose and basically nothing to gain at this point in his career.

Common sense? Yes of course, but most people don't have any.

I know, that's why I said that guy's post is moronic, singling eastern europeans like that serves no purpose other than opening a can of worms.

[MurderDeathKill]

Good. I'm sick of this ****.

[Hitman932]

There is an history in eastern europe as much as there is in USA or anywhere else. Many athletes in pro sports use banned substances, no matter where they are from, you chose to single out eastern europeans though like they are the worst or something, which is ******.

His reasons for pointing it out are ******. Yes. But he is technically correct about the Eastern Europeans. (though it has nothing to do with anything we're discussing here)

There is no question they were the worst steroid cheats in the history of sports. Their cheating was mandatory across the board and completely institutionalized.

That being said there is no connection between that and Wladimir Klitschko unless you want to invent one.

Accusing Wladimir of being on steroids is silly, just like it is silly to deny that the cheating of the East Germans in the mid to late 80's was the most shameless that professional or amateur sports has ever witnessed.

Yes American athletes cheat, and European athletes cheat and Latin athletes cheat, but they don't do it with the financial and moral support of their government.

Some Americans like me are able to separate the new European athlete from the old steroid driven Marita Koch's of the world. Some people are still caught up using stuff that happened 25 years ago as justification for an unhealthy paranoia.

Those that still think that way probably won't figure it out anytime soon.

[ShoulderRoll]

There is an history in eastern europe as much as there is in USA or anywhere else. Many athletes in pro sports use banned substances, no matter where they are from, you chose to single out eastern europeans though like they are the worst or something, which is ******.

Steroid use was invented in Eastern Europe, and they are the ones most notorious for using them. That doesn't change the fact that other countries use them too of course. But it is what it is.

I'm very disappointed in Wladimir that he won't prove he's clean.

[Dave Rado]

Steroid use was invented in Eastern Europe

Rubbish. Anabolic steroids were invented in the US, in the 1930s, and the first athletes to use them were US athletes, in 1954. See here. Eastern European athletes started using them much later.

and they are the ones most notorious for using them.

You're talking about the "amateur" athletes, under communist regimes that were brought down in the 1980s. That has no relevance to professional sport (in which Eastern Europe has no history of drug abuse), and has no relevance to post-communist Eastern Europe (which also has no history of drug abuse). In professional sport, the USA has a worse record of drug abuse than the rest of the world combined. (E.g. the NFL scandals).

Also, it was mostly East Germany that was guilty of drug abuse during that period. To tar the whole of Eastern Europe with the same brush is extremely misleading. Most Eastern European countries did not dope their athletes even at the height of communism. East Germany did, and one or two other countries, but most did not.

I'm very disappointed in Wladimir that he won't prove he's clean.

As far as he's concerned, he's happy to abide by the drug testing rules of the IBF and any other relevant sanctioning bodies involved in sanctioning his fights. He doesn't see why Povetkin should make the rules, Povetkin is just a fighter. If Povetkin (or Sauerland) don't think the IBF's rules are adequate, they should lobby the IBF to change their rules, which they have not done.

[BadBrains]

oooooooo wlad not accepting ost ooooooooooooo......

[ShoulderRoll]

As far as he's concerned, he's happy to abide by the drug testing rules of the IBF and any other relevant sanctioning bodies involved in sanctioning his fights. He doesn't see why Povetkin should make the rules, Povetkin is just a fighter. If Povetkin (or Sauerland) don't think the IBF's rules are adequate, they should lobby the IBF to change their rules, which they have not done.

As a show of good faith, and to be the class sportsman that he's always been, he should be willing to undergo the best testing that is available.

The fact that he's not in a rush to do that raises eyebrows.