Comments Thread For: Goodman Questions Mayweather-Mosley Drug Testing Gap

[shogunn]

The MD, PhD thing wasn't directly related to you, it was directly related to a poster who responded to you, and who's remarks you found so insightful as to highlight and bold them, including the PhD part.

And you obviously either didn't read or understand my post very well (though probably both), because this isn't a response, just restatements of the same generalizations which are driving your own knee-jerk reactions.

Nodogoshi, you sound like an intelligent guy

Do you think USADA is effective with 30 days of "random testing"

or 365/24/7 testing, with a 14 day cutoff of blood before a fight.

First, let me say I am a Manny fan. But I dont think he's using steroids and masking them if he's willing to test 14 days out, and the night of the fight, and include urine testing all the way through.

A PED user would deny any testing at all. Manny has much to risk roid and try to mask within 14 days. What say you

[Ray*]

The MD, PhD thing wasn't directly related to you, it was directly related to a poster who responded to you, and who's remarks you found so insightful as to highlight and bold them, including the PhD part.

And you obviously either didn't read or understand my post very well (though probably both), because this isn't a response, just restatements of the same generalizations which are driving your own knee-jerk reactions.

And why was your post directed at me? I find the other poster's post insightful and the more reason why i replied to him and thats my opinion. Not for you to cry about..

[shogunn]

No! I couldnt care less about the 14 days, I dont like the non-random part of the testing though. I didnt like the fact that they wanted a cut-off date.

floyd has a cutoff date, which was the night of the fight. He could be using steroids right now.

And what you fail to comprehend, is Manny agreed to blood test 14 days, and the night of. He's willing to random urine test till he dies.

USADA didnt even take a blood sample 18 days prior. They took MORE urine than blood. fishy as they said blood is superior. And again, its not random if floyd is being cut off right now.

[Drunken Cat]

And why was your post directed at me? I find the other poster's post insightful and the more reason why i replied to him and thats my opinion. Not for you to cry about..

I mentioned it as an afterthought and didn't feel like making a new post. I did say "you guys" in the end of my post.

You seem to be the only one having a tantrum about anything. I see it was a nice diversion though for you from actually addressing my points in any kind of way whatsoever.

[Ray*]

floyd has a cutoff date, which was the night of the fight. He could be using steroids right now.

And what you fail to comprehend, is Manny agreed to blood test 14 days, and the night of. He's willing to random urine test till he dies.

USADA didnt even take a blood sample 18 days prior. They took MORE urine than blood. fishy as they said blood is superior. And again, its not random if floyd is being cut off right now.

Firstly,Am not agreeing or disagreeing with whatever manny chooses to do regarding the fight, But i dont have to support it either..

Both Mayweather and Mosley were tested randomly within a period of time (blood and urine Included) up to 18 dates before the fight but both fighters didnt have the knowledge that the USADA arent coming back...which means there was NO cut-off date in Mayweather or Mosley's mind..

Pacquiao agreed to a 14 days cut-off date in his own mind so he knows he wouldnt be tested 14 days before the fight big difference.

[Ray*]

I mentioned it as an afterthought and didn't feel like making a new post. I did say "you guys" in the end of my post.

You seem to be the only one having a tantrum about anything. I see it was a nice diversion though for you from actually addressing my points in any kind of way whatsoever.

No tantrum mate, Just thought your post was insulting and no need for it thats why i didnt address your post..

[Drunken Cat]

Nodogoshi, you sound like an intelligent guy

Do you think USADA is effective with 30 days of "random testing"

or 365/24/7 testing, with a 14 day cutoff of blood before a fight.

First, let me say I am a Manny fan. But I dont think he's using steroids and masking them if he's willing to test 14 days out, and the night of the fight, and include urine testing all the way through.

A PED user would deny any testing at all. Manny has much to risk roid and try to mask within 14 days. What say you

I personally think the whole thing is a farce. Not to say that random testing can't be effective, but in this case it's all a ploy imo. If testing were to be effective, it shouldn't be imposed by one boxer as part of a negotiating ploy. Throw in the slanderous steroid accusations that started the whole thing and the circus show is even more laughable.

[Makunochi Ippo]

Floyd's all about God given talent. I guess using XYLOCAINE is a God given talent. hahahaha

[shogunn]

Firstly,Am not agreeing or disagreeing with whatever manny chooses to do regarding the fight, But i dont have to support it either..

Both Mayweather and Mosley were tested randomly within a period of time (blood and urine Included) up to 18 dates before the fight but both fighters didnt have the knowledge that the USADA arent coming back...which means there was NO cut-off date in Mayweather or Mosley's mind..

Pacquiao agreed to a 14 days cut-off date in his own mind so he knows he wouldnt be tested 14 days before the fight big difference.

he knows he wont be tested by blood, which USADA didnt even test in teh last 18 days of mosley-floyd. Show me a blood test in the last 18 days, and proof that Mosley and floyd didnt take the "magical blood-only PED". You cant, because they werent tested by blood. All you have is the faith of the word "random"

If blood was so superior to urine, why did they take urine at all? and they took it more than blood.

Again, throw out this word random, because floyd isnt being tested randomly right now. The word is dead for you guys

[Ray*]

Is there any actual evidence that this was indeed the case?

My understanding is that the report was anecdotal and speculative, based on the information which was submitted to the commission. How are we to know about the nuts and bolts of the process, including whether there was a cutoff deal in place? All we have is dates on which the tests did occur. We don't have anything with which to analyze the system or methodologies employed, just the raw data of when tests did occur. Hence, the conclusion that things are "fishy." Not fraudulent, not indicative of foul play, but "fishy."

Now, here are the numbers, again.

Mayweather: Urine only on:
April 3, April 6, April 21, April 24.
(note: no record of Mayweather blood testing).

Mosely blood and urine on:
March 23, March 31, April 12
(note: three tests in 20 day span, the last coming 18 days before the fight).

Mosely urine only on:
April 3, April 6, April 21 and April 24.
(note: Mosely and Mayweather tested on precisely the same schedule)

Based on this data, Goodman concluded the procedure seemed "fishy."


Honestly, you guys should at least figure out what the hell it is you're trying to criticize before going off on your tirades.


And for the record, it's MD, not PhD. PhD is a Doctorate of Philosophy, MD of Medicine.

Mayweather was blood tested too, Re-read the article, Nothing fishy in what you are trying to point out that Mayweather didnt get blood tested..