pbf's high guard vs shoulder roll

[Khalid X]

Before I start, I usually spend tons of hours watching boxing matches and paying attention to little things. I'm not saying I'm an expert or anything but when I watch fights, I look for certain things. Also I don't like having intelligent convo's on here because I feel it is in vain and this board is full of nothing but flamers. With that said, I will actually take the time to explain why I stated what I said earlier....

How does manny facing clottey give more confidence at manny beating floyd.

Floyd will use the high guard against Manny. Also Clottey simulated (all though his output did piss me off) alot of things Floyd will use against Clottey.

can you explain why? i agree the floyd won't be able to counter as much off the high guard but clottey is a punching bag and overrated by boxing heads.

He probably thinks Pacquiao's combination punching/ quick in and out movement will enable Pacquiao to hit Mayweather's high guard/ get some punches through; then move away. I hope he doesn't think that

No. that is not even close to what I was thinking.

He's comparing both Mayweather and Clottey's defense. All there is to it.

No I am not. Let me break it down for you bro....

Manny's biggest weakness is his defense against Left hooks. Don't let anyone tell you other wise. If you want me to break that down for you, I can.

With that said, I'm comparing one aspect of Floyd's game to one aspects of Clottey. There are similar in some ways and if you don't see that, then I really don't know what to tell you.

clottey doesn't fight anything like floyd....so how does he simutated anything that floyd does?

Clottey isn't the same fighter as Floyd but he has a very good high guard defense, very good left to the body and head and a good straight right hand as well as an uppercut. Those will be key weapons Floyd will also use against Manny and Clottey gave a good stimulation of that.

Before I continue, no fighter ever mimicks the next and when you watch film on any opponent you focus on key areas. For example, I see why Manny was getting caught with the right hand from Clottey. Reason being is that I have watch Ivan Calderon, Hasegawa, and a few other fighters that are southpaws and good at defending right hands form orthodox fighters. When watching those films I only focused on that and I saw what they did right and what Manny was doing wrong.

So with that said, It's never about the whole of the fight, but looking at key parts and things Fighter A does exceptional well. Again Floyd and Clottey both have great straight right hands, Floyd has that leaping left hook, and planted left hook, and Clottey...well if you know him as a fighter you know his left to the body and head is one of the best in boxing. Also Clottey counters off his high guard in a similar fashion to Floyd

Exactly. That is why fighters lose to Floyd. They just think of him as a light hitter who just defends.

Clottey was a shell.

Floyd high guards, shoulder rolls, comes forward, moves backwards, counters, moves on his feet, leads with hooks and straight right, is faster on the release, goes to the body, has lateral movement and actually fights to win rounds...

Clottey does NONE of that. So a shell defense comparison is mute when it comes to Floyd. Floyd is more than defense and his defense is more than a 12 round survival shell.

again...I know this and Roach does as well. When facing Floyd you prepare for all aspects of his game, just like you would do with any fighter. When I watch Clottey all I was looking at was his how he counters off his high guard, His left hook to the body and head, and his straight right hand. That's all nothing more. As far as other aspects of Floyd's game.....well there are other fights I have look at to stimulate that part as well. I can't believe some of you guys simply don't think outside of the box when it comes to things like this.

[Khalid X]

Also I didn't go into too much depth with my reply above, but I will be more than happy to if you like.

Also for the Shane fight, I knew Floyd would fight him like that with his high guard Defense coming forward. Reason being is due to the Winky Wright fight combined with me knowing how Shane likes to fight and what people do be effective against him.

This is why I was happy that fight got made (although I will admit I wanted Pac to fight him first because I truly believe Manny would have TKO'd him) because the high guard D he used against Shane, he will use against Manny. While Shane isn't the fighter he once was, I knew he would give Roach and others a good look at how to attack Floyd's high guard. I'm actually happy at what I saw, although I'm dissapointed at Shane's stamina issues, and I see some mistake and flaws in Floyd's game (which isn't a bad thing as every fighter has flaws). I'm not saying with 100% certain Pac beats Floyd but I am confident non the less.

[B.U.R.N.E.R]

He has both mastered.

[Picazo]

Before I start, I usually spend tons of hours watching boxing matches and paying attention to little things. I'm not saying I'm an expert or anything but when I watch fights, I look for certain things. Also I don't like having intelligent convo's on here because I feel it is in vain and this board is full of nothing but flamers. With that said, I will actually take the time to explain why I stated what I said earlier....



Floyd will use the high guard against Manny. Also Clottey simulated (all though his output did piss me off) alot of things Floyd will use against Clottey.







No. that is not even close to what I was thinking.




No I am not. Let me break it down for you bro....

Manny's biggest weakness is his defense against Left hooks. Don't let anyone tell you other wise. If you want me to break that down for you, I can.

With that said, I'm comparing one aspect of Floyd's game to one aspects of Clottey. There are similar in some ways and if you don't see that, then I really don't know what to tell you.




Clottey isn't the same fighter as Floyd but he has a very good high guard defense, very good left to the body and head and a good straight right hand as well as an uppercut. Those will be key weapons Floyd will also use against Manny and Clottey gave a good stimulation of that.

Before I continue, no fighter ever mimicks the next and when you watch film on any opponent you focus on key areas. For example, I see why Manny was getting caught with the right hand from Clottey. Reason being is that I have watch Ivan Calderon, Hasegawa, and a few other fighters that are southpaws and good at defending right hands form orthodox fighters. When watching those films I only focused on that and I saw what they did right and what Manny was doing wrong.

So with that said, It's never about the whole of the fight, but looking at key parts and things Fighter A does exceptional well. Again Floyd and Clottey both have great straight right hands, Floyd has that leaping left hook, and planted left hook, and Clottey...well if you know him as a fighter you know his left to the body and head is one of the best in boxing. Also Clottey counters off his high guard in a similar fashion to Floyd





again...I know this and Roach does as well. When facing Floyd you prepare for all aspects of his game, just like you would do with any fighter. When I watch Clottey all I was looking at was his how he counters off his high guard, His left hook to the body and head, and his straight right hand. That's all nothing more. As far as other aspects of Floyd's game.....well there are other fights I have look at to stimulate that part as well. I can't believe some of you guys simply don't think outside of the box when it comes to things like this.

word! Pac was working the body beautifully in the Clottey fight...as well.

[mushahadeen]

Cotto outboxed Manny Pacquiao which left him confused.

Same with marquez and morales.

Mayweather is marquez with superior.

Reach
Boxing skills
Speed
Defense
Footwork
Power

Thats the fight we will see with an eventual KO rounds 8-10.

Mayweather will use his superior boxing skills to frustrate manny, who will look discouraged in round 4-6 then give up mentally and get stopped.

So the day after the fight you will be ****** rich because you will have bet your house, car, life savings, earthly possessions on that right?

[Doctor_Tenma]

Before I start, I usually spend tons of hours watching boxing matches and paying attention to little things. I'm not saying I'm an expert or anything but when I watch fights, I look for certain things. Also I don't like having intelligent convo's on here because I feel it is in vain and this board is full of nothing but flamers. With that said, I will actually take the time to explain why I stated what I said earlier....



Floyd will use the high guard against Manny. Also Clottey simulated (all though his output did piss me off) alot of things Floyd will use against Clottey.







No. that is not even close to what I was thinking.




No I am not. Let me break it down for you bro....

Manny's biggest weakness is his defense against Left hooks. Don't let anyone tell you other wise. If you want me to break that down for you, I can.

With that said, I'm comparing one aspect of Floyd's game to one aspects of Clottey. There are similar in some ways and if you don't see that, then I really don't know what to tell you.




Clottey isn't the same fighter as Floyd but he has a very good high guard defense, very good left to the body and head and a good straight right hand as well as an uppercut. Those will be key weapons Floyd will also use against Manny and Clottey gave a good stimulation of that.

Before I continue, no fighter ever mimicks the next and when you watch film on any opponent you focus on key areas. For example, I see why Manny was getting caught with the right hand from Clottey. Reason being is that I have watch Ivan Calderon, Hasegawa, and a few other fighters that are southpaws and good at defending right hands form orthodox fighters. When watching those films I only focused on that and I saw what they did right and what Manny was doing wrong.

So with that said, It's never about the whole of the fight, but looking at key parts and things Fighter A does exceptional well. Again Floyd and Clottey both have great straight right hands, Floyd has that leaping left hook, and planted left hook, and Clottey...well if you know him as a fighter you know his left to the body and head is one of the best in boxing. Also Clottey counters off his high guard in a similar fashion to Floyd





again...I know this and Roach does as well. When facing Floyd you prepare for all aspects of his game, just like you would do with any fighter. When I watch Clottey all I was looking at was his how he counters off his high guard, His left hook to the body and head, and his straight right hand. That's all nothing more. As far as other aspects of Floyd's game.....well there are other fights I have look at to stimulate that part as well. I can't believe some of you guys simply don't think outside of the box when it comes to things like this.

Clottey can only get off when his opponents stop throwing punches. I used to be a Clottey fan, and I was quick to notice this. Clottey is either on the offense or the defense, he simply cannot mix the two. Neither does Clottey's offensive arsenal match Mayweather's. Did you notice how Clottey couldn't throw a proper left hook against Pacquiao? He would sort of "Whack" with it. I'd also like to note that Clottey's lower then usual output was due to him being scared; he faught scared. I was one of the few to say that stylistically Clottey didn't stand much of a chance, and while I was right, Clottey faught scared.