Roach: The shoulder roll will not work against a southpaw.

[$Bullsfam$]

Doesnt mean Mayweather is DONE.....


He hardly uses the shoulder roll anymore only when he against the ropes. Mayweather goin be very aggressive in this fight IMO

power ranger kicks him in the butythold end of thread

[Pacquiao'd]

i have already stated this in a previous post....shoulder roll is less effective against southpaws...so it limits Floyds defensive options......hence this may be a key reason he tends to fight southpaws more agressively.........

not at all. he would use a high guard defense and once he starts using the shoulder roll, that means hes figured out the fighter and its gong to start opening up and whooping their ass

[Pacquiao'd]

Well Floyd didn't use the shoulder roll against Mosley and not much against Marquez...

The only time he still really uses it is when he's on the ropes...he keeps a high guard now instead and is very good at countering off that guard...

yes he did, he used the shoulder roll once he was confortable and had mosley figure out.

but still switched between the sholder roll and high guard defense, mostly using the shoulder roll

[Shattered Jaw]

If Pac is still in shape and not showing any signs of decline he brutally stops Mayweather in 10.

Mayweather has shown nothing in his last 4 fights that suggest he can defeat the Philipino sensation.

[killacash]

it can work......but it is harder to transition from offense to defense using a shoulder roll against a lefty than it is against an ortho stance fighter.....u have to watch for the power left down the pipe.....either way it uaually takes Floyd 3 to 4 rds to figure out where the angles are coming from.....this is Pacs best window of opportunity.......

Your right I forget that James Toney used to school southpaw cats using the shoulder roll. But, when using shoulder roll against a orthodox fighter, you either slip the jab or catch it then roll the shoulder on the right hand. When using against a south paw, you shoulder roll the right jab and slip the left hand. Exhibit A
James Toney shoulder roll a Southpaw


I wouldnt insist that Mayweather use it against Pacquiao tho. High guard block seems just fine.

[Pacquiao'd]

he won't need the shoulder roll..he's not gonna fight many on the ropes..he's gonna stay in the middle of the ring and do what he did to mosly..pacquiao would try hard to get inside and land a few punches but the fast mayweather jab is gonna control the fight.

pac isnt an inside fighter...

[RINGG]

I don't know if it's the shoulder roll will not working against a southpaw as much as Floyds inexperiance that is keeping this fight from happening but Floyd needs to agree to this fight or retire.

[Pacquiao'd]

I don't know if it's the shoulder roll will not working against a southpaw as much as Floyds inexperiance that is keeping this fight from happening but Floyd needs to agree to this fight or retire.

floyds inexperience? with southpaws? haha. floyd ****ed up all the southpaws hes fought. pac got ****ed up by the counter punchers haha

and learn out to spell, idiot

[check hook]

Your right I forget that James Toney used to school southpaw cats using the shoulder roll. But, when using shoulder roll against a orthodox fighter, you either slip the jab or catch it then roll the shoulder on the right hand. When using against a south paw, you shoulder roll the right jab and slip the left hand. Exhibit A
James Toney shoulder roll a Southpaw


I wouldnt insist that Mayweather use it against Pacquiao tho. High guard block seems just fine.

watching JT work is a thing of beauty......i think it is more of a case of adjusting to the lefty.....imo it will always take an ortho fighter a few rds to adjust to the specific angles a lefty gives...even when they are sparring with lefties in camp......mayweather should def get Judah and maybe Spinks for his camp with Pac........

[check hook]

Doesnt mean Mayweather is DONE.....


He hardly uses the shoulder roll anymore only when he against the ropes. Mayweather goin be very aggressive in this fight IMO

i think you may be right......and that is why the first 4 or 5 rds will be incredibly dangerous for him......southpaw advantage is even more pronounced when the ortho fighter is moving forward......

I'm not sure i have ever seen Pac fight effectively moving back, which is why EM and JMM had success...they were able to use the str8 right to back Pac off and then they worked from there after they had time to figure out what angles the punches were coming from and also reduce Pacs output......and this is why Floyd may want to be aggressive....if he can get pac backing up onto the back foot he won't be able to do anything.......the problem in doing this arises early because he won't be able to pick up the angle of the punches and Pacs foot and hand speed allows him to land them.....


my thinking is that Flohyd will move in the first 3 rds and try to figure Pac out a little bit and then be very agressive with the right hand and i also expect a sustained and methodical attack to Pacs body....particularly with left hook to the liver (southpaw more exposed here at certain times) and also a str8 right to the hrt, plxs and left side of body.......he likes t shoot the str8 right to the body against lefties and he can be very damaging with it......but it also exposes him to short right hook coming in (see rd 2 of judah fight)