Is NSB Ok With The 'Offer Expired' Reason...

[edgarg]

A Potentially Interesting Point....

It has just struck me to ask "what is the position of the Boxing Commissions on this mess?? Is there a clause in their Regulations which specifically states that their rules and regulationsa are a MINIMUM but that if anyone wants to perform much more than the Commission rules, they can"?????

How do they feel about their regulations being torn into tatters and spread all over the world as being unworkable and dishonest...??

Perhaps the next thing might be that the various Commissions will band together and issue a statement saying that "Any fighter who will not abide strictly to the Commission Regulations on Testing will automatically have his licence to box, cancelled"........

[pistol whip]

The whole controversy is regrettable, to me. Cotto got beat up brutally, to a point where you really felt for him - just entertaining the thought, for even a moment, that Pac could have been dirty in that fight is disturbing.


But now it's been raised, what if Pac is benefiting from PED use? The su****ion is now out there, and it's more regrettable for boxing if his career continues without his name and Legacy being cleared, without the su****ion being lifted beyond all reasonable doubt.


The point is, however this mess got started (and it doesn't begin with the Mayweathers), something needs to be done

Steroids doesn't automatically mean "brutal beat down". Vargas was on steroids and he ended up being the guy who got his ass handed to him.

I don't think some of you realize that about the only things steroids will do for a boxer is allow his muscles to recover quicker after a training session thats. They dont make you faster, hit harder, or makes you a more skilled of a fighter.

Im not saying that steroids should be used by boxers because I am against them but don't try to overexagerate their effects to somehow justify your already ridiculous comments.

[The Gambler1981]

I'm am not saying anything about who's fault anything is. I'm not talkig about principles. I'm talking strictly textbook and real life negotiation.

There are principles to negotiation. If Floyd had left his "anchor" where it was (full ost) then he would be in good shape. Public opinion would still be that manny is throwing away 40 mil rather than take the test. However Floyd made the public concession which changes his anchor to 14 days. Anchors can only be changed when you make a public offer, OR there is a material change in either side's position
for example, if Floyd had another huge fight that the public wanted to see, he can retract the offer, or if manny had lost, or if boxing commissions made it public that they were switching to ost.

As it stands it's floyds move. If he takes the offer off the table it's on him because he has no concrete reason to. Whether right or wrong.

In terms a of real prinples of negotiations, real offers should be kept in privete not made to the public~ and you never accept the first offer~

The only reason to do something like this is to spin but their position is still worse than it was at the end of 2009. This is nothing more than a starting point currently.

[Alibata]

Was

Keyword: Was.

Mayweather hasn't said a thing.

He should say lets get this on.... If not then it ain't about the OST no more. It is about some gay ass ish you support him on.

[Walt Liquor]

can we not all agree that both sides are being f'd up?


Manny is being ******, he should take the test.

Floyd is being ******, OST is not part of boxing rules and he thinks he can whip manny anyway.

At this point, it all boils down to posturing/negotiation/business/ego.

Problem I see for floyd here is that manny made a concession and now its floyd's move. floyd has shown absolutely no reason to take the 14 days off the table. he has publicly said that manny wouldn't concede to 14 days (so who gives a *** when he wouldn't concede), after he supposedly took the offer off the table, so if its off the table, stfu about it.

Either way they are both spoiled little bitches, especially arum IMO.
*** um both until they make the fight happen.

This will be my last thread about the subject.

[V.WEBB]

He should say lets get this on.... If not then it ain't about the OST no more. It is about some gay ass ish you support him on.

He is obviously not negotiating in the media--something that Arum said he would NOT do.

[The Gambler1981]

The point is, however this mess got started (and it doesn't begin with the Mayweathers), something needs to be done

That is another point also, Manny is the only person who can clean this mess up.

Even if Floyd bends and Manny kills him why leave that question mark over something so trival as a couple weeks.

[Walt Liquor]

In terms a of real prinples of negotiations, real offers should be kept in privete not made to the public~ and you never accept the first offer~

The only reason to do something like this is to spin but their position is still worse than it was at the end of 2009. This is nothing more than a starting point currently.

Correct. That's why I said that your anchor in your negotiation changes when the offer is made public.

This is a starting point, which again, I've said over and over Gambler. But it's a starting point AT A POSITTION THAT ONE SIDE WAS PUBLICLY WILLING TO ACCEPT.

Neither side's position has dramatically changed so there is no reason for the anchor to change.

Manny made a move, Floyd's turn.

I'm pretty sure I'm familiar with real principles of negotiation. Getting to Yes is one of my top 5 favorite books.

[MACAQUEINBLACK]

Steroids doesn't automatically mean "brutal beat down". Vargas was on steroids and he ended up being the guy who got his ass handed to him.

I don't think some of you realize that about the only things steroids will do for a boxer is allow his muscles to recover quicker after a training session thats. They dont make you faster, hit harder, or makes you a more skilled of a fighter.

Im not saying that steroids should be used by boxers because I am against them but don't try to overexagerate their effects to somehow justify your already ridiculous comments.

Who said anything about steroids?


The debate about the training/performance benefits of PED use has been done to death, but most sane people agree with this - of course they can benefit a fighter in administering a brutal beatdown, not just by their use, but by the application to the greater amounts of training and sharpening a fighter's skills afforded by their use. Small nuances and increments can translate into huge differences, in this sport especially.

The point is, the athletes should be clean.


Don't be a prick about it.

[fugu]

**** no its not okay that the fight wont happen.

But who can you blame really? Mayweathers initial demand was 0-day cutoff. He compromised on 14-days and Pacquiao said **** it.

Now after all this **** he wants the same deal?

I mean, i hope Mayweather accepts it. I dont give a **** if Manny is juiced up like a little turbo-bunny as long as the fight happens.
But i wont put full blame on May for this fight not happening. Right now its manny that has ****ed up.