Is NSB Ok With The 'Offer Expired' Reason...

[The Gambler1981]

Of course they fucked up, it should have never come to that like any chicken contest gone wrong. It is still crazy that the fight fell apart over that reason, and that it is still a huge issue.

[MACAQUEINBLACK]

Oh, and,

'pistol whip'?



Kindly GTFO with that crude garbage in your sig. Anyone sporting that trash doesn't belong in responsible, adult conversations about a life and death sport.



You barely warrant a courteous reply with the nonsense you talk on a regular basis.

[The Gambler1981]

Correct. That's why I said that your anchor in your negotiation changes when the offer is made public.

This is a starting point, which again, I've said over and over Gambler. But it's a starting point AT A POSITTION THAT ONE SIDE WAS PUBLICLY WILLING TO ACCEPT.

Neither side's position has dramatically changed so there is no reason for the anchor to change.

Manny made a move, Floyd's turn.

I'm pretty sure I'm familiar with real principles of negotiation. Getting to Yes is one of my top 5 favorite books.

I am pretty sure Floyd's position is currently 0 days and while he did compromise before he does not have to accept 14 but he will probably agree to something inbetween 14 and 0. If he never compromises and it costs the fight people will blame (people will blame him no matter what and when a huge fight doesn't come off there is plenty of heat to go around) him but he would have stuck to what he is saying and would be throwing away a lot of money for a guy who loves money so much that could be spun in his favor over time.

It is all a matter of interpretation right now, this is a good step but not the final destination to making the fight.

[Walt Liquor]

I am pretty sure Floyd's position is currently 0 days and while he did compromise before he does not have to accept 14 but he will probably agree to something inbetween 14 and 0. If he never compromises and it costs the fight people will blame (people will blame him no matter what and when a huge fight doesn't come off there is plenty of heat to go around) him but he would have stuck to what he is saying and would be throwing away a lot of money for a guy who loves money so much that could be spun in his favor over time.

It is all a matter of interpretation right now, this is a good step but not the final destination to making the fight.

technically his position is 14 days because he would publicly accept if before. once you go public with an acceptable offer, you can't change it unless there is a material reason why. for example, manny agreed to 21, he can't go to 24. floyd agreed to 14 and manny has now called him on it.

if floyd says no, 0 days, he should have a good reason for it to stick. if not, he is the reason for the breakdown in negotiation. it's his position to counteroffer to 7 or whatever, but then the pettiness sets in.

tactical error.

a negotiation is basically a straight line with two sides at either end. points or anchors are set when offers are made (especially made public). you can move toward the opposite end, but you CANNOT move toward your end without a material change in your position. it's called negotiation theory and it's backed up by a wealth statistical data.

in reality they both are spoiled aholes and need to make the fight

[V.WEBB]

technically his position is 14 days because he would publicly accept if before. once you go public with an acceptable offer, you can't change it unless there is a material reason why. for example, manny agreed to 21, he can't go to 24. floyd agreed to 14 and manny has now called him on it.

if floyd says no, 0 days, he should have a good reason for it to stick. if not, he is the reason for the breakdown in negotiation. it's his position to counteroffer to 7 or whatever, but then the pettiness sets in.

tactical error.

a negotiation is basically a straight line with two sides at either end. points or anchors are set when offers are made (especially made public). you can move toward the opposite end, but you CANNOT move toward your end without a material change in your position. it's called negotiation theory and it's backed up by a wealth statistical data.

in reality they both are spoiled aholes and need to make the fight

That isn't his position Walt. He has said that 0 days is his stance two months ago. Manny is saying something MONTHS later...if he really said it.

[PAKYO]

technically his position is 14 days because he would publicly accept if before. once you go public with an acceptable offer, you can't change it unless there is a material reason why. for example, manny agreed to 21, he can't go to 24. floyd agreed to 14 and manny has now called him on it.

if floyd says no, 0 days, he should have a good reason for it to stick. if not, he is the reason for the breakdown in negotiation. it's his position to counteroffer to 7 or whatever, but then the pettiness sets in.

tactical error.

a negotiation is basically a straight line with two sides at either end. points or anchors are set when offers are made (especially made public). you can move toward the opposite end, but you CANNOT move toward your end without a material change in your position. it's called negotiation theory and it's backed up by a wealth statistical data.

in reality they both are spoiled aholes and need to make the fight

I'll bet a thousand points dumb *****s here will never understand what you're saying and the *****s who does understand, like imdazed, will try their utmost to not understand it and make it seem appear your post does not exist.

[The Gambler1981]

technically his position is 14 days because he would publicly accept if before. once you go public with an acceptable offer, you can't change it unless there is a material reason why. for example, manny agreed to 21, he can't go to 24. floyd agreed to 14 and manny has now called him on it.

if floyd says no, 0 days, he should have a good reason for it to stick. if not, he is the reason for the breakdown in negotiation. it's his position to counteroffer to 7 or whatever, but then the pettiness sets in.

tactical error.

a negotiation is basically a straight line with two sides at either end. points or anchors are set when offers are made (especially made public). you can move toward the opposite end, but you CANNOT move toward your end without a material change in your position. it's called negotiation theory and it's backed up by a wealth statistical data.

in reality they both are spoiled aholes and need to make the fight

That offer was no good the moment it was denied, he said that then and his position has not changed. Negotiations fell apart what Floyd demands now can be different. That was the best offer Floyd gave him, the best offer from last time does not always fly~

Floyd would eventually have to compromise off of 0 if it comes down to that but it does not have to be to 14.

Floyd has better position now than he had then, that right there makes offers from his previous position a starting point basically.

[Walt Liquor]

That isn't his position Walt. He has said that 0 days is his stance two months ago. Manny is saying something MONTHS later...if he really said it.

sorry coach, not according to negotiation theory.


This is a hard line negotiation using postional bargaining, They are using all of the classical hard line negotiating techiniques on both sides- They are making threats, demanding one sided gains, trying to win as a contest of wills, diggin in to their postion, demanding concessions as a part of the relationship. However, one driving force in positional bargaining is what your position (ie what you will accept in order to reach a deal). If a position is made public or offered to your opponent, that's where it stays unless something drastically changes the environment of the negotiation.

[Deep Blue 1997]

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i don't see why he would no longer offer it, he was fine with it not so long ago.
if he rejects this offer now, it will only show his unwillingness to get the fight made.

but then again, i don't understand why manny couldn't just take the offer when it was handed to him before.

i'll be disappointed if the fight does not happen now.

[The Gambler1981]

This would be Manny first offer so he can never ask for more than 14 days, Floyd will ask for 0 given his current position. From there they need to come to an agreement. Floyd probably will have to come off of zero given that he did bend before but that is it, aslong as he make an effort to negotiate from there he will be fine.


You never accept the first offer if Manny is unwilling to negotiatie from there, then it was all a ploy that some will buy while other will not. Not really solving his issues.


Now Manny can walk off into the sunset saying fuck it but is that really how he wants to leave the sport~. Both sides have factors that should make them willing to find a deal in the end.