Comments Thread For: Katsidis Wants Juan Manuel Marquez To Stop Ducking Him

[PittyPat]

Marquez is deceptive though.

I like Katsidis but his style is tailor made for Marquez. It's a counter puncher's dream to have a guy like Katsidis comming forward at you the whole fight. Specially with a guy who is about 50/50 aggressive/defensive.

If Katsidis got hell with Casamayor, Marquez would give him the 5th circle of it.

But here's the thing people keep skimming over like it doesn't matter - a light-hitting Diaz gave Marquez hell by charging at him for 9 rounds. The only reason he lost is because he doesn't deal with cuts well, and didn't have enough power to end it. Had that been Kats charging at Marquez on the same night, I'm 100% sure he would've stopped him or at least got an SD win or loss.

And another thing - Casamayor gave Marquez more hell than he gave Kats.

[Clegg]

You make it sound like Kats is somehow at fault for Marquez being put in this position. :conf1: He's the one who went AWOL after the Mayweather loss (another position in which he put himself - first by asking for the fight, and then losing it so badly). Aww, poor fella!

All the while Kats lost twice in '08, but he's built up his ranking by fighting all those put in front of him and has earned a shot at that belt - Marquez just happens to be clinging onto it. He's like a slow car holding up traffic. Pull over to the side and let the young 'uns go at it.

Indeed. If JMM vacated the title a year ago then no one would've had a problem with it (or at least I wouldn't) but instead he's not even defended it in that time, and his first defence will come 16 months after winning the belts, against a guy who he's already KO'd and who has arguably lost his last 3 fights.

It's ridiculous that Kats had to even fight Mitchell. Since when did the interim champ have to fight mandatories while the real champ could do what he likes? Not that I blame Marquez for that, the WBA are ******ed with their system. I don't even know where Paulus Moses fits into all of this.

JMM is a great fighter, but some people are acting as if he doesn't need to fight Katsidis just because he'd probably beat him. That would be a poor argument in any set of circumstances, but it's even poorer when you consider that JMM is instead facing someone who 99% of people expect him to beat.

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Hi James, good to see another kiwi on here.

In my opinion, JMM should vacate.

**** being 37 years old, a living legend with nothing left to prove, looking to wind down your career by making some big money fights..... but he forced to waste another 6 months of your life fighting mandatories against some kid who got beaten by two guys that you just KTFO.

There is only one money fight left for JMM. He needs to position himself very carefully over the next two months. He needs to overtake Margarito as Pac's "plan B"..... if not, then look for money fights at 140, in the hope of getting a chance at that 4th title.

Not wanting to pat myself on the back.....
but, here it is.....

http://www.boxingscene.com/?m=show&id=27888

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But here's the thing people keep skimming over like it doesn't matter - a light-hitting Diaz gave Marquez hell by charging at him for 9 rounds. The only reason he lost is because he doesn't deal with cuts well, and didn't have enough power to end it. Had that been Kats charging at Marquez on the same night, I'm 100% sure he would've stopped him or at least got an SD win or loss.

And another thing - Casamayor gave Marquez more hell than he gave Kats.

You make a point with Diaz but I don't know, I have seen Kats fight the mirror image of Marquez's style and it didn't turn out well.

Also, Casamayor gave Marquez hell because Marquez doesn't do particularly well against his own style, counter punching. I have no idea why but hey, Marquez just can't get comfortable with counter punchers very easily.

[PittyPat]

You make a point with Diaz but I don't know, I have seen Kats fight the mirror image of Marquez's style and it didn't turn out well.

I don't know about mirror image... Casamayor is slightly rangier than Marquez, and uses his height more. The counterpunching thing and a good chin is the only thing they have in common IMO.

And one mustn't forget that Kats was leading on 2 of the scorecards going into that TKO round, so he would've likely won or lost a close SD. I don't think there's any shame in that.

Casamayor gave Marquez hell because Marquez doesn't do particularly well against his own style, counter punching. I have no idea why but hey, Marquez just can't get comfortable with counter punchers very easily.

Or rather, a counterpunching lefty who gives everyone problems. It's usually impossible to look good against him - although Marquez and Kats managed to make them a pair of entertaining fights.

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You make it sound like Kats is somehow at fault for Marquez being put in this position.

Hey bro, greetings from across the ditch.

No way did I mean that. Actually, I just re-read my earlier post. I can see how it may have sounded a little demeaning to Kats.

Apologies, that wasn't my intention.

You control what you can, and you beat the man they put in front of you. Mike has done a great job to date, no way can you razz him because he is a mandatory. That used to be the only way you got to fight the champ.

I'll go further..... Marquez was Hamed's mandatory for 22 months, you think he doesn't understand Kats position on this one?

Kats should be screaming for this..... and he should be screaming LOUDLY !

Marquez should dump the belt and move on, **** fighting mandatories at 37yo.

He's the one who went AWOL after the Mayweather loss (another position in which he put himself - first by asking for the fight, and then losing it so badly). Aww, poor fella!

He climbed a boxer's "Mount Everest"..... every fighter in the history of the sport EVER should have but one single goal..... to get the VERY BIGGEST MONEY-FIGHT in the sport. A date with "Mr Boxing", if you will. To win that date, as Mayweather did, is just the cherry on top that set's up your children's children for life.

JMM is a career featherweight who acquitted himself better than Shane did.

All the while Kats lost twice in '08, but he's built up his ranking by fighting all those put in front of him and has earned a shot at that belt - Marquez just happens to be clinging onto it. He's like a slow car holding up traffic. Pull over to the side and let the young 'uns go at it.

I agree.

[PittyPat]

Hey bro, greetings from across the ditch.

No way did I mean that. Actually, I just re-read my earlier post. I can see how it may have sounded a little demeaning to Kats.

Apologies, that wasn't my intention.

No worries. Good to see at least some folks being objective about all this, rather than calling fighters a "joke" or a "duck" - both names being totally unwarranted for such a pair of warriors.

Marquez should dump the belt and move on, **** fighting mandatories at 37yo.

Absolutely. He has nothing to gain by holding onto a belt that won't further his career, nor by fighting a dangerous contender with low reward. That he has mandatories to fight isn't the issue, but rather that he simply doesn't need to stick around and fight them.

All the same, Katsidis has everything to gain by fighting for that title - whoever the name is. So whether or not it's Marquez, the main thing is that he gets his shot in the end.

He climbed a boxer's "Mount Everest"..... every fighter in the history of the sport EVER should have but one single goal..... to get the VERY BIGGEST MONEY-FIGHT in the sport. A date with "Mr Boxing", if you will. To win that date, as Mayweather did, is just the cherry on top that set's up your children's children for life.

JMM is a career featherweight who acquitted himself better than Shane did.

He did what anyone being chosen by Mayweather would do - jump at the chance and bask in the payday. At no point will I ever criticise Marquez for calling out and fighting him, because a fight against Mayweather is the dream opportunity everyone in boxing (besides Pacquiao) would likely give up an arm to receive.

It's just his disappearing act after the fight which pisses me off. I just hope that if he beats Diaz again, he won't keep Kats waiting for another 8 months...

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Indeed. If JMM vacated the title a year ago then no one would've had a problem with it (or at least I wouldn't) but instead he's not even defended it in that time, and his first defence will come 16 months after winning the belts, against a guy who he's already KO'd and who has arguably lost his last 3 fights.

You can't blame Marquez for taking the Mayweather fight. No fighter in the history of the sport would turn down the biggest payday possible to fight a mandatory.

Marquez fought Diaz in Feb 09, and Kats fought Chavez in April 09, which would have left him unavailable until at least July-Aug, yet Marquez fought Mayweather in Sep.

Marquez should have dropped the belt when he decided to fight Mayweather, he is clearly only after money fights now.

It's ridiculous that Kats had to even fight Mitchell. Since when did the interim champ have to fight mandatories while the real champ could do what he likes? Not that I blame Marquez for that, the WBA are ******ed with their system. I don't even know where Paulus Moses fits into all of this.

Ever since the numerous sanctioning bodies first started this belt-fest

I agree that Kats should not have had to fight Mitchell, but it was a good win for him. Hard to take any of the alphabet bodies seriously if they dont enforce mandatories.

JMM is a great fighter, but some people are acting as if he doesn't need to fight Katsidis just because he'd probably beat him. That would be a poor argument in any set of circumstances, but it's even poorer when you consider that JMM is instead facing someone who 99% of people expect him to beat.

Kats probably has a better chance than Diaz, but he would need to get Marquez out of there quickly. If it goes late, JMM drowns him.

[LeadUppercut]

No worries. Good to see at least some folks being objective about all this, rather than calling fighters a "joke" or a "duck" - both names being totally unwarranted for such a pair of warriors.



Absolutely. He has nothing to gain by holding onto a belt that won't further his career, nor by fighting a dangerous contender with low reward. That he has mandatories to fight isn't the issue, but rather that he simply doesn't need to stick around and fight them.

All the same, Katsidis has everything to gain by fighting for that title - whoever the name is. So whether or not it's Marquez, the main thing is that he gets his shot in the end.



He did what anyone being chosen by Mayweather would do - jump at the chance and bask in the payday. At no point will I ever criticise Marquez for calling out and fighting him, because a fight against Mayweather is the dream opportunity everyone in boxing (besides Pacquiao) would likely give up an arm to receive.

It's just his disappearing act after the fight which pisses me off. I just hope that if he beats Diaz again, he won't keep Kats waiting for another 8 months...

Yeah, great post.

Actually, it is fkn annoying when you think about it......
JMM just made more money in one fight than he prolly has his whole career.

Now he's gonna go back down to LW and defend against Kats for a fraction of what he made against Floyd? I just cant see it, why would you do that?

He should only be after money fights at this stage of this career. Either that or the fourth title.

I just dont think this fight will happen.

He should have dropped the belt when he signed to fight Mayweather.

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Katsidis is right.............Marquez had half a ****ing year after his loss to Mayweather to give the interim champ a shot at the title but he opts to rematch Juan Diaz......

wtf is that? fair enough Marquez is fighting for big money now but this was a clear snub

Katsidis was left in the dark for half a year whilst Marquez was sitting down, twiddling his thumbs, chasing Pacquiao.....

Diaz is coming off a loss to ****ing Paulie and he gets a shot to become the Lineal Lightweight Champ now.......**** that