Hopkins on Khan - "Ive never seen anything like this"

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  • John Hue
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    #31
    Originally posted by Black dude
    I have to admit I wanted Paulie to win but I have nothing but respect for Amir.
    His defense is much improved....he did some good things in there.
    I like others noticed that he was uncomfortable when Paulie pressured him....Im sure Roach sees this to and will work on it because it will be hard for ANYBODY to outbox this kid he is WAY too fast.
    Originally posted by wazaa.
    Roach hasn't fully addressed that because most opponents Amir has faced since hooking up with Roach arent agressive. Roach thinks of a gamplan for every fight and fighters like Kotelnik and Malignaggi arent agressive fighters. Therefore Roach has put more emphasis on different things then fighting backwards. I'm sure if Amir is to fight a pressure fighter like Maidana, Prescott or Katsidis Roach will adress that.
    wazaa, It does not work like that. I play golf and the short game is totally different to the long game it may as well be a different sport. The infighting skills have to be in you on an instinctive habit level more so than fighting on the outside because you have less time to react because you are closer.You don't have time to think only react. There is a LONG lag time when learning new skills going from conscious incompetant to subconscious competant and believe me in close you don't have time to think ,those skills have to be OWNED and instinctive. Those skills and habits are not there and there is no way they can be learned and incorporated on an instinctive habit level without a long incubation period. No disrespect but the game plan theory is bull****. Game plans are fine for fine tuning once you own the skills but in his case his infighting skills are woefull to non existant.
    He has been warned about this by Barry McGuigan. I will try and find the video link somewhere. But Barry told him exactly what he would do if he fought him by going inside and pleaded with him to fix it because he will get found out at the highest level. It is those kind of changes I am looking for ,but all I see he is doing (Roach is doing) his best to work round his weaknesses not address them.

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    • BetterCallSaul
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      #32
      Originally posted by hammerhiem
      No one ever questioned his Talent and especially his fast hands, the only question is over his chin and thats still remains to be answered.

      And i don't see how that win was more impressive than Hattons, both shut him out and totally outboxed him, both where clincal distructions.
      Hatton out muscled Paulie, Khan out skilled him. Khan was like a surgeon with a scalpel, Hatton was like a nurse with a saw. Both won big, but Khan's victory was pure boxing and better to watch.

      And a lot of people have questioned Khan's talent and skill. Some people still think Bradley is a better pure boxer than Khan, which I don't think is the case. And the question about his chin has been answered. He can't take a good shot. It's up to him to keep tight, and box his way to victories against the big hitters, or knock them out before they knock him out. I'm confident he can do it. He might lose a few along the way, but he will win a few big fights too.

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      • Born2Live
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        #33
        I don't understand the hype about the situation, he was WIDE favourite for the fight, I'd expect this much talk if he was an underdog for the fight.

        Paulie was 6-1 to win lol

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        • Kingstan315
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          #34
          That was the 1st bout I witnessed with him. he was impressive... I want to see him against top fighters in the division... paulie was a good tune up, Great debut on US soil....

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            #35
            If James Toney said this, then I'd be surprised

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              #36
              Originally posted by John Hue
              wazaa, It does not work like that. I play golf and the short game is totally different to the long game it may as well be a different sport. The infighting skills have to be in you on an instinctive habit level more so than fighting on the outside because you have less time to react because you are closer.You don't have time to think only react. There is a LONG lag time when learning new skills going from conscious incompetant to subconscious competant and believe me in close you don't have time to think ,those skills have to be OWNED and instinctive. Those skills and habits are not there and there is no way they can be learned and incorporated on an instinctive habit level without a long incubation period. No disrespect but the game plan theory is bull****. Game plans are fine for fine tuning once you own the skills but in his case his infighting skills are woefull to non existant.
              He has been warned about this by Barry McGuigan. I will try and find the video link somewhere. But Barry told him exactly what he would do if he fought him by going inside and pleaded with him to fix it because he will get found out at the highest level. It is those kind of changes I am looking for ,but all I see he is doing (Roach is doing) his best to work round his weaknesses not address them.
              How is Roach not addressing Khan's weaknesses? You can't address a poor chin. Thus you tighten and improve his defence...something Roach has done a remarkable job on. And his infighing skills aren't woeful because he has never been forced to fight on the inside apart from the Gomez fight, where he was still very green. Plus he gave as good as he got. I'm pretty sure once a fight with an inside fighter is made, Roach will work his gameplan, and put Khan in sparring with good inside fighters in preperation.

              And golf has nothing in common with boxing...nothing.

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              • F l i c k e r
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                #37
                Jorge Linares.... 22yrs, stopped Oscar Larios in 10 for the WBC featherweight title. A year after the p4p #1, faught Oscar Larios to a 12 round unanimous decision. In Las Vegas, Nevada.


                Khan doesn't surprise me.



                Then again, it's no secret I don't like him.
                Last edited by F l i c k e r; 05-17-2010, 04:22 PM.

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                • Junito-Rulez
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                  #38
                  That's impressive for Hopkins, a guy who picked on blown up welterweights at middleweight and on blown up middleweights at lightheavyweight.

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                    #39
                    Originally posted by John Hue
                    wazaa, It does not work like that. I play golf and the short game is totally different to the long game it may as well be a different sport. The infighting skills have to be in you on an instinctive habit level more so than fighting on the outside because you have less time to react because you are closer.You don't have time to think only react. There is a LONG lag time when learning new skills going from conscious incompetant to subconscious competant and believe me in close you don't have time to think ,those skills have to be OWNED and instinctive. Those skills and habits are not there and there is no way they can be learned and incorporated on an instinctive habit level without a long incubation period. No disrespect but the game plan theory is bull****. Game plans are fine for fine tuning once you own the skills but in his case his infighting skills are woefull to non existant.
                    He has been warned about this by Barry McGuigan. I will try and find the video link somewhere. But Barry told him exactly what he would do if he fought him by going inside and pleaded with him to fix it because he will get found out at the highest level. It is those kind of changes I am looking for ,but all I see he is doing (Roach is doing) his best to work round his weaknesses not address them.
                    golf has absolutely nothing to do with boxing. If you only have a six week margin on a training camp and YOU HAVE FULL KNOWLEDGE that you are facing a backwards counter puncher, which aspect of your game are you most likely going to Improve?

                    Why would a smart trainer like freddie roach waste his time fleshing out inside fighting when it is much easier to dominate with a 71 inch reach?

                    When it comes to maidana roach will know all too well how important inside fighting would be. Therefore logically he would spend more time of the training camp working on your inside game.

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                    • John Hue
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                      #40
                      Originally posted by timba1988
                      How is Roach not addressing Khan's weaknesses? You can't address a poor chin. Thus you tighten and improve his defence...something Roach has done a remarkable job on. And his infighing skills aren't woeful because he has never been forced to fight on the inside apart from the Gomez fight, where he was still very green. Plus he gave as good as he got. I'm pretty sure once a fight with an inside fighter is made, Roach will work his gameplan, and put Khan in sparring with good inside fighters in preperation.

                      And golf has nothing in common with boxing...nothing.
                      timba1988, I used to box and yes learning new skills is very similar between skill base sports. I was an amateur boxer before I was a golfer. How do I know Roach is not addressing it ? Very simple when Khan is pressured and pushed back he does not know what to do. Why? because he has not been trained what to do. If this is not sorted out and it takes ages to incubate infighting skills ,it is not like learning a new shot he will get found out in that area mark my words. This is not something the old cliche about game plans can fix. Only idiots believe that garbage. If you have a great game plan without the skills to back it up you are going nowhere. That is living in reality in the real world.BTW Sparring hones the skills but the skills have to be there in the first place. Sparring alone won't cut it.

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