Originally posted by The Cooler
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Leija has a chance to get in just based on the fact that he's fought a lot of HOF opponents and has beaten my boy twice.
Ward one of the 10 best body punchers of all time? In NO way is Mickey Ward one of the ten best body punchers of all time. I don't even know if he's top 30 or 40.
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Originally posted by oldgringoLeija has a chance to get in just based on the fact that he's fought a lot of HOF opponents and has beaten my boy twice.
Ward one of the 10 best body punchers of all time? In NO way is Mickey Ward one of the ten best body punchers of all time. I don't even know if he's top 30 or 40.
Name 10 better please.
I'm factoring in the fact that Mickey's offensive attack was I would say about 75-80% dependent on his body attack. He threw precise and hard shots to all parts of the body. Liver, solar plexes, everywhere. The guy was a phenomonal body puncher. I have seen few better, and I'm not a rookie to this sport. Castillo doesn't come close. He throws a nice body shot, but nowhere near that of Ward. Let's be honest.
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Originally posted by allanglezThe only better body puncher in the last 10 years is Mike McCallum.
McCallum was a great body puncher as well. Shane Mosely in his prime was very very good too.....although he had an overall great offense in his hayday. Everybody knew that when they fought Mickey that he was gonna pound them to the body. They'd protect the body first and give him the head. He had very below avg power punching ability upstairs, just bad mechanics. He was all body shots and will.
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Originally posted by The CoolerHatton, De La Hoya, Tarver, Toney, etc...
I respect everyone's opinion, but none of those guys are better than Ward in the body punching category to me. I'd rather be hit in the body by everyone of these cats over Mickey. Hatton has the upside to be top 10 ever, needs to do it over the long haul. His body attack vs Kostya wasn't impressive (maybe because he beat the **** out of his head). I need 6 more also.
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We're talking about all time here...not in the last 10 years right?
Well in the last ten or fifteen years I'd say:
Marco Antonio Barrera
Jose Luis Castillo
James Toney
Julio Cesar Chavez
Oscar De La Hoya
Mike McCallum
Ricardo Lopez
Vassiliy Jirov
Shane Mosely
Roy Jones
All of these guys were better body punchers IMO. Some sell out to the body (MAB, JLC, JCC, Jirov) and others were just incredibly sharp and effeicient body punchers (McCallum, Mosely, Toney, DLH, RJJ)
All-time the list is too long.
Ward is a very good body puncher and wouldn't have an offense if he couldn't throw downstairs well. I understand that he puts a lot into his body assaults and has a great left hook to the liver...I just don't think he is as good as these other guys. The others I named are great body punchers on a world class level.Last edited by oldgringo; 06-22-2005, 04:02 PM.
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Originally posted by The CoolerSo in order to be a skilled fighter, you have to throw a Jab?!
Good one genius!
Everyone has different styles, but Gatti is a pure brawler and not a boxer and I guess everyone knows that except for you.. and Brawlers are not skilled as boxers are..
Different styles!
BTW,
Just for your information, I am a Gatti fan, but unlike most of Gatti's dilusional fanatics, I don't think he has a chance against Mayweather.
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Originally posted by oldgringoWe're talking about all time here...not in the last 10 years right?
Well in the last ten or fifteen years I'd say:
Marco Antonio Barrera
Jose Luis Castillo
James Toney
Julio Cesar Chavez
Oscar De La Hoya
Mike McCallum
Ricardo Lopez
Vassiliy Jirov
Shane Mosely
Roy Jones
All of these guys were better body punchers IMO. Some sell out to the body (MAB, JLC, JCC, Jirov) and others were just incredibly sharp and effeicient body punchers (McCallum, Mosely, Toney, DLH, RJJ)
All-time the list is too long.
Ward is a very good body puncher and wouldn't have an offense if he couldn't throw downstairs well. I understand that he puts a lot into his body assaults and has a great left hook to the liver...I just don't think he is as good as these other guys. The others I named are great body punchers on a world class level.
I'll give you Chavez, McCallum and maybe Lopez. The rest were good body punchers with incredible overall talent. Add these guys to top 10 body punchers:
Rocky Marciano
Roberto Duran
George Foreman
Tommy Hearns
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