Honestly is A.Ward that great or did we just beat a past his prime Kessler?

[BattlingNelson]

Kessler's resume really aint that impressing, every time he has stepped up he has lost. And thats why I think he is a b-level fighter... I consider guys like Froch, Pavlik, Green, Sylvester etc etc as B-level fighters aswell.

Kessler's resume: Froch, Mundine, Sartison, Beyer, Andrade... I mean shure it's decent but it's not that good...

So according to you he has beaten all the B-level fighters he has met and yet he is still B-level himself?

[the niggest]

Kessler has fought for either the WBA or WBC belt 15 times or so and he's not elite?

WTF is that ******ity?

Never been stopped, and fought a host of challengers/champs and is a threat in the super six.

I only consider guys that are in the top 10 p4p as real elite fighters.

[Guest]

Kessler is elite and Andre Ward is a hell of a fighter.


That's my last post in this thread. Oops I lied.

[the niggest]

So according to you he has beaten all the B-level fighters he has met and yet he is still B-level himself?

well I guess Kessler is B+ or A- at best lol. I don't think Kessler is that good and thats just my oppinion.

[Guest]

I only consider guys that are in the top 10 p4p as real elite fighters.

Okey dokey smokey.


If he was rated, let's say 3rd out of 852 people in his division, I would rank that as elite by any definition, but since your definition is smaller that's cool with me.

[the niggest]

Okey dokey smokey.


If he was rated, let's say 3rd out of 852 people in his division, I would rank that as elite by any definition, but since your definition is smaller that's cool with me.

Well ok he was ELITE in his weightclass but not ELITE p4p. Do you consider guys like Nkosinathi Joyi and Danny Green as elite fighters? They are among the top 3 fighters in their weightclasses but I don't consider them elite for that...

[BattlingNelson]

I only consider guys that are in the top 10 p4p as real elite fighters.

Ok.

That means that Ward is B-level as well.

[RimmyDelicious]

It's pretty funny, the people who claim Ward is a P4P elite now where the same ones who for years claimed that Kessler was garbage.

[Dick Buffman]

Kessler was in his prime, I don't see why he wouldn't be. He did not take much much punishment in the Calzaghe fight and he looked very much in his prime by knocking out Danilo Haussler with a jab and destroying Gysmyr Perdomo. The reason that Kessler looked so bad against Ward is simple... Kessler is not that good, he only looks good against bums, he is a b-level fighter. So quit it with the excuses please it's pathetic.

So I guess Ward ain't that good either. Since he beat a b - fighter.


Totally untested, Ward is.

[the niggest]

Ok.

That means that Ward is B-level as well.

Ward is not a B-level fighter, just because he is not in the top 10 p4p list doesn't make him a B-level fighter. I would say that Ward is an A-level fighter but not elite yet(but he will be).

Kessler is a B-level fighter, not because he is not in the top 10 p4p but because he is one dimensional, has a b-level resume and is just plain average in everything he does.