Honestly is A.Ward that great or did we just beat a past his prime Kessler?

[the niggest]

So if a 4 time worldchampion is a B-level fighter what does that make you? An ignorant idiotic poster who happens to be a mental nut-case?



Topic: Ward's win is a great feat. He upset the no.1 in the division in dominating fashion although a little rough stuff and home-cooking gave him some advantages.

Kessler is a good fighter but he is not elite. His best win is Carl Froch and that fight was very close and could even had gone to Froch(though I do not dispute decision).

I'm not hating on Kessler or anything I'm just calling it as it is.

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With or without the headbutts and hometown officials?

[Holtol]

Lucian Bute's KO win over Miranda was much more impressive than Ward's 12 round decision win.

Bute did better against Miranda I will give him that. But Bute has not dominated a boxer like Kessler yet. Plus Andrade should have gotten the ko in the 12th round against Bute. I might change my mind later but right now I rank Ward ahead of Bute.

[BattlingNelson]

Kessler is a good fighter but he is not elite. His best win is Carl Froch and that fight was very close and could even had gone to Froch(though I do not dispute decision).

I'm not hating on Kessler or anything I'm just calling it as it is.

Kessler has fought and beaten a string of champions and top contenders which in essense makes your claim most puzzling.

I suppose that by your definition only a handful of fighters are A-level today. I disagree with that completely and frankly think it's ******.

[Guest]

Kessler has fought and beaten a string of champions and top contenders which in essense makes your claim most puzzling.

I suppose that by your definition only a handful of fighters are A-level today. I disagree with that completely and frankly think it's ******.

I am tired of these damn euro-robots trying to go to war.


They need to take up respectable professions instead.

[BattlingNelson]

I am tired of these damn euro-robots trying to go to war.


They need to take up respectable professions instead.

Hahaha. Yeah that was definetely post of the day.

[Guest]

Kessler has fought for either for the WBA or WBC belt 15 times or so and he's not elite?

WTF is that ******ity?

Never been stopped, and fought a host of challengers/champs and is a threat in the super six.

[the niggest]

Kessler has fought and beaten a string of champions and top contenders which in essense makes your claim most puzzling.

I suppose that by your definition only a handful of fighters are A-level today. I disagree with that completely and frankly think it's ******.

Kessler's resume really aint that impressing, every time he has stepped up he has lost. And thats why I think he is a b-level fighter... I consider guys like Froch, Pavlik, Green, Sylvester etc etc as B-level fighters aswell.

Kessler's resume: Froch, Mundine, Sartison, Beyer, Andrade... I mean shure it's decent but it's not that good...

[Allucard]

Im not hating on Ward i was just wondering if he is as good as everyone is saying he is.

I dont know anything about his fights before Kessler, so does he have a good record, fighting top level opponents.

The win over kessler was impressive , but we know kessler was not the boxer he was pre-calzaghe

So honestly, is Ward eilte in the SMW division?
or did he just get a good win over a 'past-prime' kessler
what evidence is there he is elite in the SMW division?

and kessler beating froch doesnt mean kessler is in his prime still, froch is a one dimensional bum

I think he's elite. He is what 25 years old, fights like a 30 year old in the best way. He was the olympic champion too. Kessler is not shot by any means, he just won his most important fight yet beating undefeated (should be but hell) Froch. Ward's style isn't very flashy but it's effective.

Everyone is a "one dimensional bum" once they lose their 0 in NBS, everyone knows that so that really doesn't say anything.

[Allucard]

Kessler's resume really aint that impressing, every time he has stepped up he has lost. And thats why I think he is a b-level fighter... I consider guys like Froch, Pavlik, Green, Sylvester etc etc as B-level fighters aswell.

Kessler's resume: Froch, Mundine, Sartison, Beyer, Andrade... I mean shure it's decent but it's not that good...

So how the hell did he get to be the WBA champion?