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  • Doctor_Tenma
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    #21
    Originally posted by Eaner0919
    best offense? Floyd? nah and I am a fan of his

    I would say though he has the most efficient offense in boxing.

    You could make a case for JMM having overall the best offense in boxing.
    Bah!

    Why do I forget Marquez?!

    I can agree with this. Great counter puncher, every punch in his arsenal is great, devastating puncher, really good body puncher (Best in the game in my opinion)...I can agree with this. Just that at 135+, I don't know if I can say this.

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      #22
      Originally posted by F l i c k e r
      How am I making excuses? I'm am telling you why they got hit so easily. That's like someone saying the reason why PWill hit Margarito so much is because Margarito takes punishment to give it. That isn't an excuse, it's how they fight.

      You don't even know the gameplan for Clottey. Are you Pacquiao or Freddie? I'm guessing no. And anyone who has an ounce of technical ability would have picked Clottey apart if Clottey just sat in the shell not punching.

      No. I am saying 20 consecutive straight punches towards the face isn't an effective combination.

      Right now your acting like how you say "*****s" act towards Floyd. Stay real Jro, normally you do. Right now, your denying what Pacquiao really is.
      I didn't know Cotto was the type of fighter that takes punishment to give it. When did he become that? Did Margarito land on a high percentage on Cotto in the first half of the fight? You should be real cuz you making excuses on why somebody is accurate is cuz of a style.

      I thought it was quite cleat that the game plan for Clottey was just to touch clottey, arms, glove, forerams just keep touching him, throw often and throw hard. Keep him in that shell.

      So you saying Pac combination is not effective? I am not talking about anybody else but Pac. Is HIS combos effective yes or no? Is a simple question?

      Since I am not staying real. Then tell me what Pac really is?

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        #23
        Originally posted by jrosales13
        I didn't know Cotto was the type of fighter that takes punishment to give it. When did he become that? Did Margarito land on a high percentage on Cotto in the first half of the fight? You should be real cuz you making excuses on why somebody is accurate is cuz of a style.

        I thought it was quite cleat that the game plan for Clottey was just to touch clottey, arms, glove, forerams just keep touching him, throw often and throw hard. Keep him in that shell.

        So you saying Pac combination is not effective? I am not talking about anybody else but Pac. Is HIS combos effective yes or no? Is a simple question?

        Since I am not staying real. Then tell me what Pac really is?

        Your saying I am making excuses when I am not. Nor did I say that Cotto takes punishment to give it. READ all not just what you want.

        No one who sees Pacquiao for what he is would be arguing bull****.

        Pacquiao is fast and powerful. Does he have great combinations? NO. Does he have high accuracy? NO. Even Moderate accuracy? I would say below average because he focuses on throwing multiple punches instead of placement.

        Imma just leave it as it is. Your hugging hard on Pacquiao right now. It's as simple as that. I'm not gonna talk to you if your gonna just hug Pacquiao hard.

        I don't think Pacquiao or Mayweather have the best offense. So i'm not even in the Pac-Floyd drama that stemmed because of Burner's topic.

        If you think a guy who throws 1500 punches, lands 248, 90% straights, 5% overhead, 5% hooks. 98% to the head, and 2% to the body. Is throwing great combinations and has great accuracy. Then fuck it. I don't care.

        IMO I don't think Pacquiao has the best offense. It's great because it hurts people and people can't stop it. Is it the best? NO. That's my opinon.

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        • baracuda
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          #24
          Originally posted by F l i c k e r
          Your saying I am making excuses when I am not. Nor did I say that Cotto takes punishment to give it. READ all not just what you want.

          No one who sees Pacquiao for what he is would be arguing bull****.

          Pacquiao is fast and powerful. Does he have great combinations? NO. Does he have high accuracy? NO. Even Moderate accuracy? I would say below average because he focuses on throwing multiple punches instead of placement.

          Imma just leave it as it is. Your hugging hard on Pacquiao right now. It's as simple as that. I'm not gonna talk to you if your gonna just hug Pacquiao hard.

          I don't think Pacquiao or Mayweather have the best offense. So i'm not even in the Pac-Floyd drama that stemmed because of Burner's topic.

          If you think a guy who throws 1500 punches, lands 248, 90% straights, 5% overhead, 5% hooks. 98% to the head, and 2% to the body. Is throwing great combinations and has great accuracy. Then fuck it. I don't care.

          IMO I don't think Pacquiao has the best offense. It's great because it hurts people and people can't stop it. Is it the best? NO. That's my opinon.
          so who's got the best offense then?.......

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            #25
            Originally posted by baracuda
            so who's got the best offense then?.......

            I can't name one guy as cream of the crop but I would say it would have to be between Marquez and both Klitschkos.

            I would say Juanma too but his level of opponents is journeymen tops. So, I don't feel comfortable saying he has the best offense.

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            • Eaner0919
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              #26
              Originally posted by Dominicano Soy!
              Bah!

              Why do I forget Marquez?!

              I can agree with this. Great counter puncher, every punch in his arsenal is great, devastating puncher, really good body puncher (Best in the game in my opinion)...I can agree with this. Just that at 135+, I don't know if I can say this.
              IMO I think he has had the best array of punches of the current class of great fighters and yes that includes(d) guys like Toney, Morales, Barrera, Jones, Mayweather, Hopkins.

              He really honed his craft and throws every punch with precision and textbook ability

              if I were telling a fighter how to throw punches effectively I would pop in tapes of JMM

              and yeah above 135 I think he hit his ceiling.

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                #27
                I think Floyd is probably the most skilled offensively. However, when it comes to effectiveness, I'm not so sure.

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                • Walt Liquor
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                  #28
                  Originally posted by Dominicano Soy!
                  Bah!

                  Why do I forget Marquez?!

                  I can agree with this. Great counter puncher, every punch in his arsenal is great, devastating puncher, really good body puncher (Best in the game in my opinion)...I can agree with this. Just that at 135+, I don't know if I can say this.
                  gamboa,
                  klits,
                  when kirkland comes back

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                  • Walt Liquor
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                    #29
                    Originally posted by mt102879
                    I think Floyd is probably the most skilled offensively. However, when it comes to effectiveness, I'm not so sure.
                    gamboa is more skilled offensively than floyd. the klits are MUCH more effective

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                    • Eaner0919
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                      #30
                      Originally posted by F l i c k e r
                      I can't name one guy as cream of the crop but I would say it would have to be between Marquez and both Klitschkos.

                      I would say Juanma too but his level of opponents is journeymen tops. So, I don't feel comfortable saying he has the best offense.
                      I dont agree with the Klitschkos

                      they do not go to the body very well

                      do not uppercut very well

                      its formidable do not get me wrong but its not as varied as say a JMM

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