Serious Question: All Floyd Wants Is An Even Playing Field Right?

[Bogler]

Its FINE and dandy for Manny to go ABOVE the COMMISSION(they have their own penalties) when he wants to with the weight penalties . But when Mayweather wants to go ABOVE the COMMISSION(they have their own testing) with more stringent drug testing , you guys cry foul.

Talk about double standards. SMH.

you're wrong on the comparison. pac was asking for additional penalty on an existing rule, a rule that you obviously were mandated to follow. what floyd wants is an additional rule that you're not mandated to follow. floyd couldve said '*** you pac and your $1M penalty' and couldve negotiated for less.

what's the same is, if floyd had asked for more penalty, like pac would give him pac's part of the purse as a penalty if pac tested positive for drugs under the NSAC testing.

[MACAQUEINBLACK]

Where is he doing this at?

I was wondering the same.


But it's worth noting that 2501 still won't accept Marquez was Floyd's tune-up. Pretty much everyone with a clue saw the fight as a tune-up, Floyd treated it as such (a lot of his own commentary on the fight implies as much, even though he doesn't say it directly, for obvious reasons), but 2501 won't accept it. Why?, oh, because the fight was heavily promoted and had a 24/7, I mean - this is Floyd Mayweather, the biggest currently active American boxing name, the guy who just beat De La Hoya and Hatton in megafights with accompanying 24/7 series' a couple years before, making a hugely anticipated and talked about comeback against a biggish name in Marquez . . . the fight's going to have a 24/7, it's going to be heavily promoted, if Floyd can generate big money and press for a tune-up, guess what, he's going to do it . . . none of that has anything to do with the level of challenge Marquez would present to Mayweather.
I don't consider the Marquez win an A level win, more a B or a B-, because, as great as Marquez is, there's nothing he does better than Floyd, and he had no physical advantages to speak of. Obvious tune-up opponent for Mayweather, and all his post-fight commentary of how he led Marquez around the ring like a child suggests he knows it.
Marquez was chosen as a tune-up, for his connection to Pacquiao, because he's a biggish name to sell a fight with and because he would allow Floyd to put in a solid workout and shake off any ring rust without presenting any real threat. Period.


I'd say 2501 is just trying to project this particular conceit

and he's using that as one of his career defining wins

onto Floyd as if it's something Mayweather actually thinks.

[Dick Buffman]

Floyd is a useless overvalued ****.

[MACAQUEINBLACK]

What do you mean how is that the same? Marquez was competing at 135, 2 weight classes below 147. Mayweather won a title at 154, 2 weight classes below 168. Mayweather going up to fight Ward at 168 is the same as Marquez going up to fight Floyd. Thats how its the same and thats how its a mismatch

This just shows you don't understand the nuances of boxing, specifically weight/size in boxing - because the comparison, (with the simple divisional math attached, LMAO), is ******ed. Floyd and Marquez fought a few pounds apart for years.



That's not me saying Floyd wasn't too big for Marquez, BTW, so don't proceed to get anything twisted.

It is what it is. He selected a great smaller guy for his tune-up rather than an average/above average bigger guy, and diddled Marquez at the scales so he didn't have to put himself out shedding a couple pounds more than he would ordinarily. It was a tune-up, 2501. That's what it was. Accept this.

[swizz]

by the dan wetzel of yahoo sport

While campaigning for political office in the Philippines this week, Manny Pacquiao took a moment to send a message back across the Pacific.

“Yes, I want [Floyd] Mayweather,” Pacquiao is quoted in the Philippine Star telling boxing writer Michael Marley. Pac-man went on to declare if the fight happens he would “attack until Mayweather is gone.”

It sounds all well and good; Manny prepared for fireworks in a super fight with Mayweather.

Of course, a lot of things politicians conjure up sound good. You can say all sorts of stuff that you don’t mean or won’t get done in an effort to appease the voters. In this case Pacquiao is playing politics with the blockbuster fight (or fights) boxing needs.


Pacquiao has identified the prime stumbling block to a proposed November fight, his opposition to the stringent, Olympic-style drug testing that Mayweather favors. Unfortunately, Pacquiao’s position is not consistent with the facts of the past six months.

The real reason Mayweather-Pacquiao didn’t happen this spring is not Mayweather’s insistence on drug testing conducted by the United States Anti-Doping Agency.

In negotiations last winter, Pacquiao agreed to that exact setup, only with a catch. The USADA wants to test either blood or urine up to the eve of the fight. Pacquiao demanded testing stop 24 days before the fight. Mayweather compromised to 14 days. Pac-man wouldn’t budge.

And that was that, the fight was off and boxing fans were left with dueling lopsided events: Pacquiao shutting out Joshua Clottey in March; Mayweather dominating Shane Mosley on Saturday.

The issue – and the sole remaining issue – was that extra 10-day window of non-testing. Yet here is Pacquiao this week trying to rewrite history to create some kind of principled argument.

“My message to Mayweather, to the world, is simple,” Pacquiao said to Marley. “I am not the lawmaker when it comes to the rules and regulations of any boxing commission. That is not my job or my duty. Neither is it Mayweather’s unless he forms his own personal commission.

“I will comply fully with whatever drug test, blood or urine, rules are specified by the commission of the place where this fight is arranged.”

Now, I’m not a Mayweather fan and I’m not a Pacquiao fan. I’m a boxing fan that wants to see the best fighters fight. I look at the impasse as infuriating. The misinformation and posturing by both sides alone is pathetic.

After witnessing decades of fraud and corruption in the sport, Pacquiao’s argument that state boxing commissions are some infallible regulatory outfit is an insult to anyone with a modicum of intelligence. And while hammering out performance-enhancing drug testing standards is new ground in the fight game, everything else in boxing has long been negotiable – from the cut of the purse, to the weight of the gloves, to who gets to enter the ring last. The details are always in the demands.

Pacquiao’s line is obviously just an emotional plea that will perhaps play well with his fans. Unfortunately for Manny, it just isn’t true. He already agreed to the more stringent rules and regulations than the boxing commissions, a position he now supposedly finds too reprehensible to consider.

We repeat: He agreed to blood and urine testing by the USADA. He simply demanded a window where the testing would end. When he did that, the debate over the appropriateness of such testing ended. It shifted to Pacquiao’s cut-off date, those 24 days.

Why the heck would an athlete ask for a 24-day break in testing? Pacquiao’s camp has suggested Manny’s belief that blood testing too close to the fight would weaken him, a position that defies all scientific knowledge, sporting precedent and common sense.

At the Olympics, doping agents do daily sweeps of athlete housing, drawing small amounts of blood and taking urine samples sometimes just hours before competition. At the Beijing Games swimmer Michael Phelps gave on the morning of one of his events. Mayweather and Mosley just went through USADA’s testing plan to no ill effects.

A 24-hour window would be more than sufficient for Pacquiao to “recover.” Twenty-four days is a huge gap of time, so big that it renders some of the testing moot. There is plenty of time in the non-testing period to run a sophisticated doping regime and still get it out of the system prior to a post-fight test.

Also too long, for that matter, is Mayweather’s proposed 14-day stop date.

Consider a blood doping agent such as erythropoietin (EPO), which will increase red blood cell counts and improve stamina. Many doctors say it can be flushed out of a body in two to five days, which means the proper way to deter it is to allow testing within a few days of the fight and then immediately after.

This is why I considered Mayweather’s proposed 14-day window such a major concession. It also says to me that he isn’t actually all that concerned with Pacquiao doping and that this was just a way of running a head game on his opponent.

(Mayweather isn’t innocent here, he just has, in this particular case, a far more defensible position. This despite the fact his crusade to make boxing clean is so obviously self-serving.)

That Mayweather gave up such a major position in the negotiations still wasn’t enough for Pacquiao. To argue that two weeks is still too close to the fight is just ridiculous. If Team Pacquiao can come up with a fact-based argument to why an even longer stretch is needed, I’m dying to hear it.

Instead it’s reverting back to emotional arguments over long-ago agreed upon points. Pacquiao is playing a politician – when dealing with bad facts, change the debate.

Yes, he claims he wants to fight Floyd Mayweather and will knock him out.

Unless he’s willing to sign a fight contract, I’m more interested in having him accurately explain what he delayed things in the first place rather than hearing half-truths and smoke screens under the assumption no one’s paying attention.

Because if even Manny Pacquiao isn’t willing to defend his true position, is there any hope of this fight getting made?

[MACAQUEINBLACK]

Floyd is a useless overvalued ****.

Problem is (from your perspective), he keeps winning, and he just turned a bunch of heads back around to him in a positive way with the way he handled Shane. Sucks for you.

[Vasyl’s dad]

LOL. So verbal agreements don't mean anything now huh?

Floyd to Margarito,

"we'll fight later".

He retires instead.

Duck, liar and accuser.

[B.U.R.N.E.R]

Floyd to Margarito,

"we'll fight later".

He retires instead.

Duck, liar and accuser.

Goodness you are a troll. Thats not what he said he said Ill fight you down the road when its a bigger and better fight.

Marg turns around leaves the building then loses to a prospect named Paul Williams.

[Vasyl’s dad]

So why doen't pac take that excuse and wipe his a** with it by taking the test and bussin floyd up??? End of story all the glory.

Its simple,

he doesn't have to.

He can fight one fight,

just as hes fought the rest of his career.

Under the guidelines as established by the same commissions Floyd has fought under.

If Floyd really wanted to fight,

he wouldn't need any tests as it was he who said,

"Manny Pacquiao, easy work, easy fight, probably easier than the Marquez fight".

[2501]

A ****ing former Junior Middleweight Champion fighting a Lightweight Champion and Floyd fans call that a credible fight. HA!