How can this equate to "FIGHTER OF THE DECADE"?

[Khalid X]

You can respond, tear it apart, discredit it, etc. I wont take it personal. Though I believe it'll be a difficult task as everything posted was 100% fact.

Since you insist

Marquez came into the second Pacquiao fight weighing 141 lbs. Pacquiao came in at 145. Oddly, and I love how people forget to mention this, Marquez came in at 144 in the Mayweather fight, while Floyd came in at 146. Practically negligible difference. Furthermore, JMM called Floyd out, not the other way around. He was looking to fight Pacquiao for a third time, but of course Pac declined, thus he fought Floyd. Also, why is it when Pac moves up in weight to fight bigger opponents it's amazing, yet when JMM does the same, it's considered a travesty?

Floyd was over 155 in the Marquez fight. Marquez and Pac (although only 4lbs apart come fightnight) are the same size. Why are you comparing weigh in weights (May & Marquez) to fight night weights (Pac & JMM)? Come on man…………..

People never call foul when it's Mayweather coming in as the smaller man, yet are up in arms when the tables are turned. You'll never here anyone mention how Diego Corrales came in at 147 against Mayweather, giving him a 10 lb weight advantage, or that Floyd gave up 9 lbs to Jose Luis Castillo in both bouts. How Floyd came in the much smaller man against Oscar De La Hoya , as he fought him at his natural weight, and was giving up nearly 10 lbs on fight night. You never here this because those who critique Floyd live by double standards, and the hypocrisy is getting old.

Because they were in the same weight class. Marquez was two weight classes below Mayweather so in no shape or form is that the same thing as fighting a bigger Corrales or Castillo who were in the same weight class as Floyd when he fought them

Hatton walks around at around 160+. Cutting to 147 is an easier task for him than cutting to 140. And here's another fun fact people like to dismiss in reference to Floyd "making him come up to 147". Ricky Hatton, two bouts prior to his bout with Mayweather, fought Luis Collazo at 147.

Dude everyone knows Hatton’s best weight is 140. This isn’t even disputable seeing that he was undeated at 140, yet looked like **** against Collazo at 147. Again are you serious with this statement? So according to this statement Duran (who ballooned over 200lbs in between fights) should have been really fighting at Light Heavy Weight. Also why was he considered the smaller man against Hearns and Hagler then, considering he got over 200lbs in between fights. In none of those fights, including Leonard vs Duran 2, was Duran considered the bigger man. What even funnier is that he weight over 170 a month before he fought SRL and had to cut a **** load of weight...yet people still considered him to smaller guy.

Why would team Mayweather believe Mosely was shot? Mosely was coming off one of the biggest win of his career, against the WW champion, catapulting himself up both the WW and P4P rankings. Before the bout, everyone was talking about how dangerous a fight this was for Floyd and how he'd possibly be KO'd, but of course once he was dominated by Floyd, tunes changed. Same ole song and dance.

Mosley was not shot, was a top 3 WW when Floyd beat him….full credit with no hate or excuses for that win.

Lets look at the reality behind Pacs resume.

1. Beats prime Barrera: Good win, and best win of his career by far.

2. Gets outboxed by fading Morales

3. Beats a completely shot Morales, whom of was coming of a bout where he lost 11 of 12 rounds to journeyman Zahir Raheem. After the Raheem bout, Morales never recorded another win until his comeback 5 years later.

4. Beats Oscar Larios in his next fight, who was coming off a bout where he was brutally KO'd by Israel Vasquez. Boxrec: "Pacquiao stunned by a right hand in the third"

5. Has a draw with, and win over Marquez. Bouts many people believe he lost. He was dominated in compubox statistics.

Dominated in compubox stats? What fight were you watching.
Here is a pic, since I was just watching it earlier

[IMG]http://i132.***********.com/albums/q34/michaelbonney1984/MarquezvsPacquiaoIIPPV720pHDTVx264-.jpg[/IMG]


How is only landing 15 more punches constitute as dominating someone in compubox statistics? Pac won 7 rounds to 5....115 to 112. Close fight, but in no way shape or form was that a domination by either fighter.

6. Beats a shot DLH, who was both dehydrated and weight drained, admissions coming from both Oscar and team Pacquiao. In fact, according to Oscar, the difference between the version of himself that fought Floyd and the one that fought Pacquiao was like night and day. Furthermore, the only reason Roach accepted the fight is because he thought Oscar was past his prime both physically and mentally, the punishment to his face from the Steve Forbesbout, according to Roach, was an obvious indication that DLH was done for. Thus, he took the fight. Also, people fail to take into account that the fight was at 147, and by this time, Oscar hadn't had a fight at 147 since his bout with Arturo Gatti in March of 2001. His following fights were all at JMW and above. DLH was hooked to an IV just so he could rehydrate.

First of all, DLH has only himself to blame. He tried to cherry pick a LW and not only that, but tried to come in lighter to prove a point (since he was facing so much heat for ducking Tony to fight a LW).

Also DLH was coming to 147 as mentioned in an ESPN article with Dan Rafael almost a full year b4 he fought Pac. He was trying to Face Cotto at 147, Tony crushes Miguel so Oscar tries to cherry pick Manny.Manny showed up to the fight and it's not his fault Oscar was a dumb@ss. Oscar has been a professional for over a decade and it's his job to show up...not Manny's

BTW this same past his prime Oscar was signed to fight Floyd in a rematch until Floyd retired. He was good enough for a rematch with the P4P king, but not a undersized LW?

[QUOTE=Hannibal Barca;8333533]7. Destroys Ricky Hatton who had previously been thrashed by Mayweather. Hatton's previous fight was an unimpressive victory over Lascano where Hatton was almost KO'd, obviously showing he was shot. Perfect candidate for Pac/Roach.[/qoute]

Hatton was the #1 guy at 140. Who was better than Ricky at 140 when Pac fought him? Hatton = Ring champ @ 140 when Pac youtubed his @ss.

8. Forces Cotto down to 145, and dominates him. Cotto was coming off a fight where he'd been brutalized by Antonio "Plaster Hands" Margarito, a fight that many believed ruined him. He'd also had a bout with Clottey, which many people believe he lost.

Cotto was the one who suggested 145. He also beat a belt holder in Jennings (I know that was trash) but also beat Clottey, who should have been the IBF champ, but was stripped due to politics in boxing. Also Clottey a top 5 WW and a guy no one has looked good against, not even Margarito when he was a beast at 147.

9. Beats Clottey, who threw 5 punches per round and was basically a sparring partner.

And who's fault is that. No one looks good against Clottey, yet Manny completely dominated him. So if anything that just proves how good Manny is

The greatness of manny Pacquiao is a myth. Floyd need not worry about any "black marks" on his career, as anyone who cares to look at the situation subjectively knows who's ducking who. In reality, 10 years from now when USADA testing is the standard, people will question why Manny Pacquiao was so adamantly opposed to something overwhelmingly positive. Something that'd give the sport back it's integrity. And like all athletes who duck and dodge steroid and PED talk, the validity of his achievements will be questioned. Floyd on the other hand, will be looked on in a positive light. He'll be remembered as the fighter who pushed for more stringent testing, and people will love him for it. He's hated as Ali was during the height of his career, but in the end, just as Ali is, he'll be loved.

I thought u said all of these were facts? Sounds like opinion and speculation to me.

As far as the bolded part, Manny has 4 lineal titles and 3 ring titles during that span. Also he has beaten the following

122 Ledwaba the #1 guy at that class at the time
126 Barrera the #1 guy in that class at the time
130 Marquez - the #1 guy in that class at the time
140 Hatton - the #1 guy in that class at the time
147- Cotto & Clottey - two top 5 WW's. BTW he still in the process, so his work here is far from finished.

3 FOTY awards (most ever only behind Ali at 4)

I mean I can go on and on about Manny's awards and accolades (but I won't). How can you accomplish all of that, yet your greatness be considered "a myth"?


FWIW..those guys at Ring are the most respectable panel in all of boxing. No one has been recognizing and award fighters longer than they have and that's a fact. Their word is more credible than anyone else in the sport of boxing and they said Manny won FOTD by a landslide and it wasn't even close. Just let it go dawg.....They are the experts and clearly got this right.

[Khalid X]

damn that took 20 minutes of my life to write/reply back...lol

[S H A R K B O Y]

even so called experts are nuthuggers and haters. just ask bert sugar, or larry merchant.

pacquiao dominating clottey. well thats why styles makes fights and the saying "tailor made" comes in. its easy for pacquiao to look great against someone whos output is mediocre in most of his fights.

de la hoya would castrate himself for a check, everyone knows that, but youre right, he only has himself to blame. by the way, he was going to rematch mayweather at 154lbs again, not 147lbs. big difference.

[FLY TY]

bert sugar's the worst.....

[-MAKAVELLI-]

i just became an O.S.I.R.I.S fan

[FLY TY]

even so called experts are nuthuggers and haters. just ask bert sugar, or larry merchant.

he (bert sugar) came on the radio, and told everybody to bet on mosley over mayweather!

[STRUGG]

damn that took 20 minutes of my life to write/reply back...lol

itll take hannibal.............20 days to refute thet though.................

[shogunn]

OSIRIS for president

[Bee Keepz]

while Floyd was retired Manny beat 2 guys he already beat...lol

Yup...quicker and better.

[Hannibal Barca]

[QUOTE=O.S.I.R.I.S;8333925]Since you insist



Floyd was over 155 in the Marquez fight. Marquez and Pac (although only 4lbs apart come fightnight) are the same size. Why are you comparing weigh in weights (May & Marquez) to fight night weights (Pac & JMM)? Come on man…………..



Because they were in the same weight class. Marquez was two weight classes below Mayweather so in no shape or form is that the same thing as fighting a bigger Corrales or Castillo who were in the same weight class as Floyd when he fought them



Dude everyone knows Hatton’s best weight is 140. This isn’t even disputable seeing that he was undeated at 140, yet looked like **** against Collazo at 147. Again are you serious with this statement? So according to this statement Duran (who ballooned over 200lbs in between fights) should have been really fighting at Light Heavy Weight. Also why was he considered the smaller man against Hearns and Hagler then, considering he got over 200lbs in between fights. In none of those fights, including Leonard vs Duran 2, was Duran considered the bigger man. What even funnier is that he weight over 170 a month before he fought SRL and had to cut a **** load of weight...yet people still considered him to smaller guy.



Mosley was not shot, was a top 3 WW when Floyd beat him….full credit with no hate or excuses for that win.



Dominated in compubox stats? What fight were you watching.
Here is a pic, since I was just watching it earlier

[IMG]http://i132.***********.com/albums/q34/michaelbonney1984/MarquezvsPacquiaoIIPPV720pHDTVx264-.jpg[/IMG]


How is only landing 15 more punches constitute as dominating someone in compubox statistics? Pac won 7 rounds to 5....115 to 112. Close fight, but in no way shape or form was that a domination by either fighter.



First of all, DLH has only himself to blame. He tried to cherry pick a LW and not only that, but tried to come in lighter to prove a point (since he was facing so much heat for ducking Tony to fight a LW).

Also DLH was coming to 147 as mentioned in an ESPN article with Dan Rafael almost a full year b4 he fought Pac. He was trying to Face Cotto at 147, Tony crushes Miguel so Oscar tries to cherry pick Manny.Manny showed up to the fight and it's not his fault Oscar was a dumb@ss. Oscar has been a professional for over a decade and it's his job to show up...not Manny's

BTW this same past his prime Oscar was signed to fight Floyd in a rematch until Floyd retired. He was good enough for a rematch with the P4P king, but not a undersized LW?

7. Destroys Ricky Hatton who had previously been thrashed by Mayweather. Hatton's previous fight was an unimpressive victory over Lascano where Hatton was almost KO'd, obviously showing he was shot. Perfect candidate for Pac/Roach.[/qoute]

Hatton was the #1 guy at 140. Who was better than Ricky at 140 when Pac fought him? Hatton = Ring champ @ 140 when Pac youtubed his @ss.



Cotto was the one who suggested 145. He also beat a belt holder in Jennings (I know that was trash) but also beat Clottey, who should have been the IBF champ, but was stripped due to politics in boxing. Also Clottey a top 5 WW and a guy no one has looked good against, not even Margarito when he was a beast at 147.



And who's fault is that. No one looks good against Clottey, yet Manny completely dominated him. So if anything that just proves how good Manny is



I thought u said all of these were facts? Sounds like opinion and speculation to me.

As far as the bolded part, Manny has 4 lineal titles and 3 ring titles during that span. Also he has beaten the following

122 Ledwaba the #1 guy at that class at the time
126 Barrera the #1 guy in that class at the time
130 Marquez - the #1 guy in that class at the time
140 Hatton - the #1 guy in that class at the time
147- Cotto & Clottey - two top 5 WW's. BTW he still in the process, so his work here is far from finished.

3 FOTY awards (most ever only behind Ali at 4)

I mean I can go on and on about Manny's awards and accolades (but I won't). How can you accomplish all of that, yet your greatness be considered "a myth"?


FWIW..those guys at Ring are the most respectable panel in all of boxing. No one has been recognizing and award fighters longer than they have and that's a fact. Their word is more credible than anyone else in the sport of boxing and they said Manny won FOTD by a landslide and it wasn't even close. Just let it go dawg.....They are the experts and clearly got this right.

I'll respond later, I'm taking a humanities quiz at the moment.