Don't act like pac didn't agree to any test.

[IMDAZED]

The post is not specifically for you, it's for anyone willing to contribute to the subject at hand.

The significance of the post is that to name PEDs that is only detectable in blood, can be flushed out of your system comes fight night and have significant advantage within a 24 days window. Now if you can name these PEDs and they don't appear on the banned substance list from WADA, then it's pointless to worry about those PEDs since there are no test for them.
And if you can't name the PED, then WADA most likely don't test for them.

The rest of the post is just my personal feelings over the subject, and my agenda for debating.

Please see Hannibal's post prior to yours. Please note Travis Tygert has also mentioned at least four PEDs that can only be detected through blood testing; one is mentioned in Hannibal's post (hemoglobin-based oxygen carriers) and is more popular than EPO--which is almost an ancient PED now. Seriously, there is no stepping around it. Blood tests up to the event must be done.

[BuckToothed]

Kill the nonsense.

Excellent article, thank you for contributing.
Correct me if I'm wrong, HGH has to used during off season to reap its benefit.
The OST proposed is not a year-round schedule.

Synthetic oxygen carriers are yet another form of blood doping. One form of these is hemoglobin-based oxygen carriers (HBOCs). It’s been reported these increase exercise capacity better than EPO. Urine testing cannot be effective in detecting HBOCs, due to the fact that not all HBOCs are excreted by the kidney. However, HBOCs can be detected through blood tests. Due to the fact that it’s believed to be more effective than EPO and can only be detected through blood tests, this has to be very appealing to any boxer looking for an extra advantage.

Can you help me find that PED in the WADA list?

[IMDAZED]

Excellent article, thank you for contributing.
Correct me if I'm wrong, HGH has to used during off season to reap its benefit.
The OST proposed is not a year-round schedule.



Can you help me find that PED in the WADA list?

It is listed as a PED for the USADA.

http://www.boxingscene.com/?m=show&id=26171

Q:

A lot of people have said on the other side that urine testing is the same as blood testing. You hear that line a lot. Can you just break down in simple possible terms what the differences are? What blood testing tests for that urine testing does not?

Tygart:
There are at least four potent performance enhancing drugs that are not detected in urine, including human growth hormone, HBT, which is a mild blood transfusion, HBOC, which is synthetic hemoglobin, and then the Passport Program.

I guess just to further emphasize that, it is just simply false to say that urine can detect everything that you would be concerned about. It can't. You have to do blood. There is no other reason we would be doing blood. If we didn't have to do blood to have an effective program, why would we do it? It makes absolutely no sense

[BuckToothed]

It is listed as a PED for the USADA.

http://www.boxingscene.com/?m=show&id=26171

Q:

A lot of people have said on the other side that urine testing is the same as blood testing. You hear that line a lot. Can you just break down in simple possible terms what the differences are? What blood testing tests for that urine testing does not?

Tygart:
There are at least four potent performance enhancing drugs that are not detected in urine, including human growth hormone, HBT, which is a mild blood transfusion, HBOC, which is synthetic hemoglobin, and then the Passport Program.

I guess just to further emphasize that, it is just simply false to say that urine can detect everything that you would be concerned about. It can't. You have to do blood. There is no other reason we would be doing blood. If we didn't have to do blood to have an effective program, why would we do it? It makes absolutely no sense

This is from wikipedia, so take it for what it is...

In the 1980s, an HBOC was developed by the US Army at the Letterman Army Institute of Research (LAIR) which did not need typing. However, in clinical trials the HBOC were proven to be problematic, with more deaths using the HBOC than in the control group. Yet, their use would be of value to sustain the wounded in military conflicts.[citation needed] PolyHeme is currently in field trials with the US Army.[citation needed] Experiments continue[36] with requirements include long shelf-life, no need for refrigeration, and minimal side-effects.[37]

The opening paragraph also state that HBOC have a high failure rate and it's use in clinical studies are limited in South Africa and Russia.

I'm assuming this PED is used for conditioning (more oxygen in blood) not more so about strength.

Here are my take-aways from this debate,
1. Can HBOC (or similar PED) have significant advantage within a 24 days window. What timeframe and stage within training camp is HBOC most effective?
2. Is HBOC that viable in a bloodsport without the fear of measureable side-effects?

Thank you for contributing, I'll be back when I have some answers for the above two take-aways.

[Alibata]

exactly. who cares he dont need mayweather
who else is maywether going to fight ?
pacquiao has more options because all his fights are exciting
mayweather's fights are all boring so he needs an oscar,a mosley
or a pacquiao to help him sell it

pacquiao can sell it on his own because he comes to fight
and puts on a great show everytime

mayweather's only aggression is before a fight
with his big mouth

This is the absolute truth. Manny sold 700k against a nobody. Let Floyd fight a nobody and find out. Manny will sell for sure regardless who he fights.

[ajohnz]

pac also agreed to have his blood tested immediately after the fight. and that makes everyone here ******.

but having something in your system during training can make you stronger regardless of whether or not its in your system on fight night...