How come Edwin Valero never tested positive for anything...

[AllEyesOpen]

Because the current sytem sucks. That's why we need USADA testing across the board.

THERE, I SAID IT!!!

I wouldn't go as far as to say that, but if there is such a difference on the standards of testing depending on the country your in as some people have stated then there should at least be a governing body taking care of the testing for title fights across the globe.

[ИATAS]

I understand what your saying, but for Valero to have been doing drugs since before the age of 10 years old, I consider that an addict, not a recreational user.

Then I don't think you understand the definition of an addict.

I've personally done drugs since I was 13. Am I an addict now? Nope. Have I ever been an addict? Nope. But I was for many years a recreational user.

Durg addiction isn't something you can turn on or off & clearly he was doing so much drugs that it ****ed up his brain which is why he ended up doing what he did. So based on the fact that he was addicted to drugs for most of his life, i find it very hard to believe that he could just stop for several months during training, not impossible just improbable.

What is improbable is going through 8 - 10 weeks of INTENSE training camps and being a drug addict. Ask a boxer, who fights on an elite level and trains as hard as Valero (which as I mentioned people can vouch that he was a gym rat) if it's possible to be addicted to ******* and work the way he did. It's not possible man. You can't be a coke-head and train like that and then fight on a proffesional level, period.

[AllEyesOpen]

I wouldn't be surprised if certain countries in Central and South America, Asia, etc. - any of the less economically prosperous countries- didn't bother including much drug testing because, in plain, simple terms; their athletes couldn't afford to be doping. When you fight in the gutter in Mexico City, or some rough neighbourhood slum in Africa, I mean, what are the chances a poor kid turned to combat is able to afford PED's? Or even get them?

So, in some cases praticality problem lead to more lax testing. I can't say that about all the places he fought- like France and Japan- but I know for sure some areas aren't going to test because it'd basically equate to a waste of money..

I see what your saying, it just doesn't seem right to me. I imagine if your a somewhat successful fighter from central or south america then you'd probably have the means to get ped or any other kind of drug if you wanted to.

[Bacatit]

Dood, PED issues are non-existent in those countries. Boxers do it on their own without these enhancements.

Why do people say this **** ?

[Smooth Criminal]

Top Rank has a lot of cheaters.

[Bacatit]

I read this really good ESPN story about him. I think it's still up.

Outside the lines.

And I've watched him for 4 years or so but that story describes his upbringing and his problems really well.

Tell me your smarter than you come off !!!

[AllEyesOpen]

Then I don't think you understand the definition of an addict.

I've personally done drugs since I was 13. Am I an addict now? Nope. Have I ever been an addict? Nope. But I was for many years a recreational user.



What is improbable is going through 8 - 10 weeks of INTENSE training camps and being a drug addict. Ask a boxer, who fights on an elite level and trains as hard as Valero (which as I mentioned people can vouch that he was a gym rat) if it's possible to be addicted to ******* and work the way he did. It's not possible man. You can't be a coke-head and train like that and then fight on a proffesional level, period.

You don't think it's possible to be a world class athlete and be addicted to *******? ask Diego Maradona, one of the best soccer players of all time.

& again to have been so addicted that it caused phsycological problems that lead you to kill your wife and yourself, that addiction and abuse, not recreational use.

[Bacatit]

No drug stays in your system for six months. The hardest test to pass is for marijuana, and even the heaviest users can pass a test in less than two months.

I heard acid stays in your spinal chord forever.

[ИATAS]

You don't think it's possible to be a world class athlete and be addicted to *******? ask Diego Maradona, one of the best soccer players of all time.

From the mid-1980s until 2004 Diego Maradona was addicted to *******. He allegedly began using the drug in Barcelona in 1983.[38] By the time he was playing for Napoli he had a regular addiction, which began to interfere with his ability to play football.[39]

Over the years following his retirement his health seriously deteriorated. On January 4, 2000, while vacationing in Punta del Este, Uruguay, Maradona had to be rushed to the emergency room of a local clinic. In a press conference, doctors stated that it was detected heart muscle damage due to "an underlying health issue". It was later known that traces of ******* were found in his blood and Maradona had to explain the circumstances to the police. After this he left Argentina and went to Cuba in order to follow a drug rehab plan.

& again to have been so addicted that it caused phsycological problems that lead you to kill your wife and yourself, that addiction and abuse, not recreational use.

How can you not fathom the possibility of Valero spiraling out of control and using more and more towards the end of his life? Do you honestly believe the amount of drugs he was using in his final days was the same as 1-2 years ago?

[Bacatit]

I wouldn't be surprised if certain countries in Central and South America, Asia, etc. - any of the less economically prosperous countries- didn't bother including much drug testing because, in plain, simple terms; their athletes couldn't afford to be doping. When you fight in the gutter in Mexico City, or some rough neighbourhood slum in Africa, I mean, what are the chances a poor kid turned to combat is able to afford PED's? Or even get them?

So, in some cases praticality problem lead to more lax testing. I can't say that about all the places he fought- like France and Japan- but I know for sure some areas aren't going to test because it'd basically equate to a waste of money..

Bs !

That's how you get the money dude !

Poor people are more likely to steel to pay their bills because they have more to lose.
Poor fighters are more likely to cheat because they have more on the line. Especially the ones that have been ktfo before.