How much is the NSAC penalty if a fighter comes in overweight?

[Castor_Troy]

Oh, we can play the Q&A game - I guarantee you'll be out of this thread pretty quick. Floyd was absolutely wrong to do what he did to Marquez. And he should've had to pay a larger fine than what JMM was basically forced to agree to. No question. That said, Pacquiao also asked for penalties against Morales and Oscar. Why didn't he go by the commission rules then?

Cmon on. that might be true but maybe it took you 3 or so hours to answer i cant wait that long and the threads might be burried when i came back the next day....

Im waiting on this one. or if you want you can post the answer on my profile. I promise ill wait for the answer.



DID FLOYD paid 20% of his purse againts Marquez??



on your question : Floyd got away by modifying the contract. Erik and Oscar can possibly do it too. do you really think that weight penalty demand and additional drug testing are equal?

[PH|L]

Which one of their trainers has worked with a lot of steroid users?

Andre Ward works with Victor Conte. The king of PEDs, Mr. BALCO himself.

[Blubba]

cmon on. That might be true but maybe it took you 3 or so hours to answer i cant wait that long and the threads might be burried when i came back the next day....

Im waiting on this one. Or if you want you can post the answer on my profile. I promise ill wait for the answer.



Did floyd paid 20% of his purse againts marquez??



On your question : Floyd got away by modifying the contract. Erik and oscar can possibly do it too. Do you really think that weight penalty demand and additional drug testing are equal?

war castor troy!

[And Still]

Why would they need to compromise on OST to get a fight made? Doesn't that imply that the other fighters in the S6 don't want OST?

I don't see anyone accusing the other fighters in the S6 of being on PEDs like they do with Pac.

2000 -- Sydney, Australia

106: Brian Viloria, Waipahu, Hawaii
112: Jose Navarro, Los Angeles, Calif.
119: Clarence Vinson, Washington, D.C.
125: Ricardo Juarez, Houston, Texas
132: David Jackson, Seattle, Wash.
139: Ricardo Williams, Jr., Cincinnati, Ohio
147: Dante Craig, Cincinnati, Ohio
156: Jermain Taylor, Little Rock, Ark.
165: Jeff Lacy, St. Petersburg, Fla.
178: Olanda Anderson, Ft. Carson, Colo./Army
201: Michael Bennett, Chicago, Ill.
+201: Calvin Brock, Charlotte, N.C.

2004 -- Athens, Greece

106: RAU'SHEE WARREN, CINCINNATI, OHIO
112: RON SILER, CINCINNATI, OHIO
132: VICENTE ESCOBEDO, WOODLAND, CALIF.
141: ROCK ALLEN, PHILADELPHIA, PA.
152: VANES MARTIROSYAN, GLENDALE, CALIF.
165: ANDRE DIRRELL, FLINT, MICH.
178: ANDRE WARD, OAKLAND, CALIF.
201: DEVIN VARGAS, TOLEDO, OHIO
+201: JASON ESTRADA, PROVIDENCE, R.I.

[IMDAZED]

Cmon on. that might be true but maybe it took you 3 or so hours to answer i cant wait that long and the threads might be burried when i came back the next day....

Im waiting on this one. or if you want you can post the answer on my profile. I promise ill wait for the answer.



DID FLOYD paid 20% of his purse againts Marquez??



on your question : Floyd got away by modifying the contract. Erik and Oscar can possibly do it too. do you really think that weight penalty demand and additional drug testing are equal?

I answered your question by saying no and that I believe he should have.

Second, these are not cases you can quantify by asking what is "equal". Let's debate as if we aren't in second grade. By Pacquiao doing that to Morales and Oscar, it shows that he has no regard for the commission when it suits him. Which is fine. But don't talk about how we need to go by the commission when you don't do it yourself.

[IMDAZED]

Andre Ward works with Victor Conte. The king of PEDs, Mr. BALCO himself.

Ward no longer works with Conte. BTW, did you find the rest of that pacquiao quote? Just wondering.

[And Still]

Andre Ward works with Victor Conte. The king of PEDs, Mr. BALCO himself.

Andre ward no longer works with Conte.

[PH|L]

2000 -- Sydney, Australia

106: Brian Viloria, Waipahu, Hawaii
112: Jose Navarro, Los Angeles, Calif.
119: Clarence Vinson, Washington, D.C.
125: Ricardo Juarez, Houston, Texas
132: David Jackson, Seattle, Wash.
139: Ricardo Williams, Jr., Cincinnati, Ohio
147: Dante Craig, Cincinnati, Ohio
156: Jermain Taylor, Little Rock, Ark.
165: Jeff Lacy, St. Petersburg, Fla.
178: Olanda Anderson, Ft. Carson, Colo./Army
201: Michael Bennett, Chicago, Ill.
+201: Calvin Brock, Charlotte, N.C.

2004 -- Athens, Greece

106: RAU'SHEE WARREN, CINCINNATI, OHIO
112: RON SILER, CINCINNATI, OHIO
132: VICENTE ESCOBEDO, WOODLAND, CALIF.
141: ROCK ALLEN, PHILADELPHIA, PA.
152: VANES MARTIROSYAN, GLENDALE, CALIF.
165: ANDRE DIRRELL, FLINT, MICH.
178: ANDRE WARD, OAKLAND, CALIF.
201: DEVIN VARGAS, TOLEDO, OHIO
+201: JASON ESTRADA, PROVIDENCE, R.I.

RJJ was in the olympics in '88 and he was caught using steroids as a pro. Having participated in the Olympics as an amateur does not give you a clean PED slate for the rest of your life.

Anyways, we'll agree to disagree. Debate can go on forever.

[IMDAZED]

RJJ was in the olympics in '88 and he was caught using steroids as a pro. Having participated in the Olympics as an amateur does not give you a clean PED slate for the rest of your life.

Such a silly comment. Of course not but comparing testing methods in 1988 to methods now is like comparing a 1994 cell phone to today's version. What point are you trying to make here? Because using that logic, passing NSAC tests doesn't give you a clean PED slate either.

[Castor_Troy]

I answered your question by saying no and that I believe he should have.

Second, these are not cases you can quantify by asking what is "equal". Let's debate as if we aren't in second grade. By Pacquiao doing that to Morales and Oscar, it shows that he has no regard for the commission when it suits him. Which is fine. But don't talk about how we need to go by the commission when you don't do it yourself.

As far as i can remember.

It all started when Jose Luis Castillo kayoed Corrales with one left hook by coming in 139? or so in a ligtweight linear championship bout. It was a mess. and then on the rubber match Castillo again came over weight w/c cancelled the bout altogether.

Finkel the manager of Pacquiao at the time didnt want that kind or "work around" to happen againts Erik Morales. so they include it in the contract.

it also happened recently with Guzman and Campbell. There's a precedence and its a valid stipulation.


40 fights coming in againts Pacquiao with the same commisions's tests and out of nowhere OSDT???? what's the precedence?