Pac has more leverage in the Floyd negotiations than most people realize he does.

[The Big Dunn]

you guys need to stop looking at the promoter/fighter relationship as purely a boss/employee type relationship.

in some ways it is or can be......

i look at the promoter/fighter relationship as partially similar to an agent/athlete relationship.

respectfully, agents get a fixed percenatge a known sum. 3% of X. promoters get a fixed percenatge of an unknown sum. 3% of X(n).

ODH and floyd have a unique business model. They get both. To me this is significant. floyd was the "better" fighter against floyd. marquez, shane, and hatton had more people in the crowd for them yet floyd got more.

also, fighters pay the sanctioning fee out of their portion of the purse. they also pay the corner people etc. promoters don't do that. finally, the promoter gets their money FIRST. the fighters get their money LAST whats left over after everyone else gets theirs.

HUGE DIFFERENCE!

[PH|L]

neither needs each other. Both have a whole ****load of money and can make 8 figure paydays fighting anyone.

[The Big Dunn]

respectfully, agents get a fixed percenatge a known sum. 3% of X. promoters get a fixed percenatge of an unknown sum. 3% of X(n).

ODH and floyd have a unique business model. They get both. To me this is significant. floyd was the "better" fighter against floyd. marquez, shane, and hatton had more people in the crowd for them yet floyd got more.

also, fighters pay the sanctioning fee out of their portion of the purse. they also pay the corner people etc. promoters don't do that. finally, the promoter gets their money FIRST. the fighters get their money LAST whats left over after everyone else gets theirs.

HUGE DIFFERENCE!

i mean aganst ODH

[The Big Dunn]

neither needs each other. Both have a whole ****load of money and can make 8 figure paydays fighting anyone.

But you are always one punch away.

Roy Jones and Felix Trinidad prob would of made $15 mil each. But Bernard beat felix and neither he nor roy ever made that kinda loot again.

[Kobe B Bryant]

respectfully, agents get a fixed percenatge a known sum. 3% of X. promoters get a fixed percenatge of an unknown sum. 3% of X(n).

ODH and floyd have a unique business model. They get both. To me this is significant. floyd was the "better" fighter against floyd. marquez, shane, and hatton had more people in the crowd for them yet floyd got more.

also, fighters pay the sanctioning fee out of their portion of the purse. they also pay the corner people etc. promoters don't do that. finally, the promoter gets their money FIRST. the fighters get their money LAST whats left over after everyone else gets theirs.

HUGE DIFFERENCE!

that's why i said partially similar.

how boxing works is far different from how other sports operate.

obviously it's different but there are some similarities to an agent/athlete relationship.

the promoters income also depends on the fighters' income as in an agent/athlete relationship.

the promoters get a lot more of course but they also put in money when investing on a fighter. most of the time with a young prospect , the promoters are just breaking even with the costs of throwing the event.

[MacMarauder]

neither needs each other. Both have a whole ****load of money and can make 8 figure paydays fighting anyone.

Agreed, they both can do whatever they want. There really is no reason that the fight HAS to be made. All the people calling Pac a bum have to remember that no matter what he will be loved in the Phillipeans so it's not like he has anything to prove to the fans. Floyd never really wanted widespread fan apprechiate and can continue to make a boatload of money fighting anyone.

[Boxin']

pac doesn't need floyd. what he's got in his bank account so far will probably last his family for 3 generations.

floyd has a bunch of problems with the IRS, defaulting bank loans, getting his ***elry jacked, and paying 6 bodyguards, paying for OST for the remainder of his career, etc...

floyd needs pac.

^^^^^^^^^^

Floyd returned to boxing to make money. Which fight would earn him most money?

[mikelovesfood]

I think both fighters need each other equally and for sure Floyd is the bigger draw, brings in more paperview sales and should be in the driver’s seat but let’s think about this rationally folks all bias aside. If a Floyd vs Pac clash of the titans fight doesn’t get made then which other fighter out there meets Floyd’s criteria of star power and financial incentive for him to get in the ring with? None if you realistically think about it.

Pac on the other hand has options in the Arum stable. Sure I wouldn’t care for a Pac vs Margorito, or Pac vs Cotto II or Pac vs Foreman but they are realistic possibilities and they sure can’t be worse than Pac vs Clottey. All these fights can be made easily being that they are all Arum’s fighters and will get made
if Floyd vs Pac doesn’t happen. Floyd on the other hand wouldn’t have a viable dance partner that meets his criteria of star power and financial incentive.
Pac , Arum and Roach can and will walk away and go to the other options, however I don’t see Floyd with anyone viable to replace Pac with that meets his standards. What do you guys think?

LOL @ paperview

[And Still]

I don't think Manny needs $10 million to survive. Sure it would be good but he's now a politician and he wouldn't spend it if he didn't have it to burn as he's not guaranteed to win the election and if he does he can make that fighting Margorito, Cotto again or Foreman while Arum gets to keep the money in house once again.

Why wouldn't Manny fight Paul Williams? Why fight the guy who lost to Paul Williams?

[touchofsleep]

i think both fighters need each other equally and for sure floyd is the bigger draw, brings in more paperview sales and should be in the driver’s seat but let’s think about this rationally folks all bias aside. If a floyd vs pac clash of the titans fight doesn’t get made then which other fighter out there meets floyd’s criteria of star power and financial incentive for him to get in the ring with? None if you realistically think about it.

Pac on the other hand has options in the arum stable. Sure i wouldn’t care for a pac vs margorito, or pac vs cotto ii or pac vs foreman but they are realistic possibilities and they sure can’t be worse than pac vs clottey. All these fights can be made easily being that they are all arum’s fighters and will get made if floyd vs pac doesn’t happen. Floyd on the other hand wouldn’t have a viable dance partner that meets his criteria of star power and financial incentive.

Pac , arum and roach can and will walk away and go to the other options, however i don’t see floyd with anyone viable to replace pac with that meets his standards. What do you guys think?

as a floyd fan i agree. Very good observation. Floyd's skill are the gift and the curse in this scenario.