Would you bash Floyd if he decided to fight Martinez for the belts at a 158 catch?

[Doctor_Tenma]

This is what you call having your head up Pacquiao's ass. Alot of you guys should be ashamed.

[-Spinal-]

So it's basically even. Some good arguments from both sides. Although I have no problem with only 2 pounds, just like I didn't have a problem with the 145 catch for Cotto's WBO titles; the posters who are against it made some good points.

I think the problem that people don't understand when they say "141-147 is WW and 155-160 is MW, anything between that is WW/MW fight" is that the "Champion" doesn't even get the luxury to weigh in at 146-147 or 159-160 which is wrong. 141-145(top it off at 145) is not WW same as the catchweight I presented for the fantasy match up between Martinez-Mayweather.

[Sweet Jesus]

This fight does nothing for me if it isn't for the MW belts.

[Ryn0]

Martinez is still the champ at 154 and 160 he could probably make 154 comfortably, and I don't see him being affected at all but the drop so yeah I guess.

[Eaner0919]

That is confusing bro
its says up to 147 so they could fight anywhere from 141-147 and it would still be for the strap
How did they go against their own rules?
I think it was wrong that Cotto had to put his belt on the line but where did they go wrong?(WBO)

key phrase is up to 147lbs

what Varcarcel essentially told Cotto was "hey we understand in our rules you have the ability, if you so choose to, to weigh 147lbs and be it a title fight but since we moved Manny into the mandatory position you now have no choice but to weigh no more than 145lbs which is indeed 2lbs less than what you are allowed by our own definition of the rule"

so by using the key phrase of UP TO one important aspect was taken away from Cotto

the ability to weight up to 147lbs. Also let's not forget that Cotto for his fight prior to this weight 1lb over the 145lb stipulation he had for the Pacquiao fight.

it also shows how devious the powers that be were in this when Cotto specifically states that he would fight Manny at 145 only without his belt being on the line. When Manny's side balked at that or at least complained in the press that they wanted it to be for the belt only then did Varcarcel step in and

1. make Manny a mando thus giving Manny the chance to fight for a title inspite of having just one fight at 147 against the unranked DLH.
2. making this a title fight after Cotto had agreed to give up his true welterweight limit of 147lb in order to make the biggest fight of his career. Even going so far as to threaten to strip Cotto and make this a title fight solely for Manny if Cotto disagreed.

Cotto was back into a corner for his belt and said **** it anyways

a true warrior Cotto is and I commend him for that

but he was held at gunpoint for belt

[-GDS-]

145 for Cotto was a draining catchweight. The equivalent for Floyd would be a catchweight between 147-154. Any catchweight between 154-160 wouldn't weaken Martinez, so that would be cool. And just because Martinez isn't 6'2"+ doesn't mean that he's a small MW. He's 5'11", and was 159.5 at the weigh in for Pavlik, and was 167 fight night. Were the fight at 160, Floyd would be outweighed fight night by no less than 15 pounds.

[Devils Advocate]

Not at all. I wouldn't even bash Floyd for fighting Martinez at 154. But, if it is for the MW title then it should at least be at 155. And, I am OK with that.

Hell yeah, Martinez even said 154 is more comfortable for him b/c Middleweights are 2 big so 157 or 158 would be perfect. The Pacquiao/Cotto weight issue was controversial b/c Cotto didn't want to have to put his title on the line if he had to weigh in at 145, so both parties were not onboard until the money was right in this case Martinez wouldn't have a problem we would just have to see if Mayweather would fight at 157 or 158. Mayweather could become power hungry and demand that the middleweight titles be on the line @ 156

[Pullcounter]

this is ****in ******. there doesn't need to be a catchweight. floyd/martinez can fight at 154 with both the jr MW and MW titles on the line.

[hi-five]

No. So what is this? After coming out of retirement he fights 1 @ welter and 2 @ catchweights? Just fight martinez @ 154.

[Devils Advocate]

this is ****in ******. there doesn't need to be a catchweight. floyd/martinez can fight at 154 with both the jr MW and MW titles on the line.

I didn't think about that but I guess your right both titles can be on the line at 154 if so then brilliant but we are speaking as if Pavlik ain't in the picture nor Pacquiao so this is just a fantasy fight at best. Pavlik needs to make up his mind so that Martinez can beat that ass or move on to bigger paydays. What is funny is that now Martinez will get 50/50 and he fights for cheap so Pavlik might pull out once learning both will get 1millon each lol.