Mayweather and Martinez: Whos styles has the advantage?

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  • Heeb
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    #31
    Honestly, I think this fight has like a 10% chance of actually happening.

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      #32
      Originally posted by Kalion
      No, not at all. But it seems as if a Martinez Bandwagon has formed in the last 24 hours. Many of the passengers seem to belive Martinez could outclass or stop Floyd.

      Im here to say, no way...no how.

      Floyd reduced shane to a punching bag, The same shame with 17 years professional and a lifetime of boxing experience. A guy who is a ATG and has been in with several other ATGs looked clueless vs Floyd. WTF would Martinez do? Floyd would pick him apart, tell me why im wrong?
      You think this WW version of Shane is better than a MW version of Martinez?

      And, do weight-class not matter anymore? You telling me Floyd will be as effective at MW as he is at WW?

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      • Pullcounter
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        #33
        martinez has a decent chance to upset floyd based on his size. I don't see anyone smaller than him beating him. floyd isn't a small WW and he just outmuscled mosley who is a big WW

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        • Kalion
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          #34
          Originally posted by jrosales13
          You think this WW version of Shane is better than a MW version of Martinez?

          And, do weight-class not matter anymore? You telling me Floyd will be as effective at MW as he is at WW?
          Im not comparing the two in temrs of physicality but shane is haed and shouders above him in terms of skils and experience and look where it got him against Floyd.

          He dosent have to put on 13 lbs to fight at 160. Hed go up as many Lbs as he was comfortable with just like he did for DLH. He came into that fight at 150, 4lbs below the weight.

          Like I said, What would martinez do with Floyds style,skills,generalship and expierence?
          Martinez is in my eyes a poormans Roy Jones, athlethicaly gifted..but not technically sound. He dosent have the skills to beat Floyd in my opinion.
          Last edited by Kalion; 05-03-2010, 01:03 AM.

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            #35
            Originally posted by Kalion
            No, not at all. But it seems as if a Martinez Bandwagon has formed in the last 24 hours. Many of the passengers seem to belive Martinez could outclass or stop Floyd.

            Im here to say, no way...no how.

            Floyd reduced shane to a punching bag, The same shame with 17 years professional and a lifetime of boxing experience. A guy who is a ATG and has been in with several other ATGs looked clueless vs Floyd. WTF would Martinez do? Floyd would pick him apart, tell me why im wrong?You act as if its insulting to say hed lose to Floyd.
            I could say the same thing about you, You're still high off Mayweathers dominant victory saturday and you're praising him too much.

            Stop downplaying Martinez and shut the **** up, You talk as if Floyd is invincible in any weight class.

            He's on fiyaaaah right now and on the top of his game.

            He would be the most dangerous opponent Floyd has ever faced.

            Fact.

            Has Floyd dominated a slick southpaw at a bigger weight class?

            No.

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            • geribeetus
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              #36
              at 154 floyd would take a close decision i think. he wasn't that mobile against oscar but he's still the same sharpshooting floyd. oscar was a lot more aggressive than martinez usually is. although if martinez were able to let his hands go all night like he did the last few rounds against pavlik i think he'd win. if it were somehow at 160 i'm pretty sure mayweather gets demolished.

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                #37
                Originally posted by jrosales13
                Burner he is not a small JMW. He is a legit JMW maybe even a big JMW. He might be a small MW but not a small JMW

                Floyd would be a small JMW and even a smaller MW. He would still have to gain the weight and that might effect him.

                There are weight-class for a reason. I know you and a few others think Floyd is the greatest skill wise but weight-class will come to play at some point. And, Martinez is a skilled guy as well who has legs unlike Shane and JMM. And, he has a southpaw stance to boot and his power is pretty good plus he is quick and at MW he would be quicker than Floyd. at 154 is Floyd best bet. Since he can weigh in at 148 at the highest 150 like he did for Oscar. But, at MW he more than likely would have to weigh in at 155. And, that will take away speed and movement.
                Martinez is almost 6ft. tall. Pavlik and Williams are 6'2" or taller, so he might look small, but I think people are underestimating his size. He's a big JMW, and a legit MW, or better yet he could become one after a while. That said, Floyd would still have speed and movement in a MW fight, because I think he would shed weight after the weigh in, like the Oscar fight. All said and done, Floyd would be 152-ish, and Martinez would be in the mid 160's. Not an insurmountable advantage.

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                  #38
                  Originally posted by Kalion
                  He dosent have to put on 13 lbs to fight at 160. Hed go up as many Lbsas hewas comfortable with just like he did for DLH. He came into that fight at 150, 4lbs below the weight.

                  Like I said, What would martinez do with Floyds style,skills,generalship and expierence?
                  Martinez is in my eyes a poormans Roy Jones, athlethicaly gifted..but not technically sound. He dosent have the skills to beat Floyd in my opinion.
                  To fight Martinez at MW he would have to put 9lbs more than what he weigh-in against Shane.

                  9lbs is a lot, 9lbs can take away speed, agility, ability, movement.

                  You think Floyd will be effective at 155 as he is at 147?

                  Again does weight-class not matter anymore?

                  He is not fighting an old Oscar, Martinez is a way better fighter than that version of Oscar in every way.

                  Shane as he great as he is. That version of Shane at WW is not as good as the MW version of Martinez. Sergio has legs Shane does not. Not taking nothing away from Floyd performance he deserves full credit. But, Martinez MW> Shane WW.

                  Floyd as much power as he has would not be able to hurt Martinez. Sergio would not get discouraged.

                  Sergio stamina issues are really non unless he is fighting somebody who has the work rate of Paul Williams. Floyd doesn't have that work rate.

                  At MW Sergio would be faster and as strong as Floyd is he would not be stronger than Martinez at MW.

                  And, Martinez has the southpaw style to boot. And, the size in his favor and he has skills the man has talent and he has really good footwork...

                  Ok I get it you guys think Floyd is the greatest and I get it you guys are really high of that victory. So I know is going to be hard for you guys to think objectively right now.

                  If the fight was at 154 I could see you guys point of view. But, the fight more than likely be at MW. And, Floyd would have to weigh-in at least 154.1

                  Unless he pulls a Ray Leonard and fights for the JMW and MW title at 154 and then he could weigh-in at 147.1

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                    #39
                    I don't think it's appreciated that Floyd was 148 when he fought a 166 pound Oscar.

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                    • Kalion
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                      #40
                      Originally posted by rabagiyo
                      I could say the same thing about you, You're still high off Mayweathers dominant victory saturday and you're praising him too much.

                      Stop downplaying Martinez and shut the **** up, You talk as if Floyd is invincible in any weight class.

                      He's on fiyaaaah right now and on the top of his game.

                      He would be the most dangerous opponent Floyd has ever faced.

                      Fact.

                      Has Floyd dominated a slick southpaw at a bigger weight class?

                      No.
                      You seem to be missing the point.

                      Size < Skill

                      Size dose not win fights you dumb ****.

                      Some case the inverse can be true, but 2 inchs of height and 10-15 lbs of weight aint gonna make me think Martinez would be a favorite or has a 50/50 shot at beating May.

                      Do you seriously think Floyd would even consider goin up at this point of his career if he wasnt going to be a clear favorite?

                      Dont be such a damn fool.

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