Top 10 P4P EVER

[realheavyhands]

gans threw fights or would be kilt

[realheavyhands]

* Joe Gans record according to the Boxing Register, the official Hall of Fame record book, is 120-8-9 (85 kayo’s) 18 No Decisions. Because of the hostile attitude towards black fighters he “often had to box to orders” (Odd, 45). McCallum wrote that “he frequently climbed into the ring handcuffed” (McCallum, 230) forced often by promises to gamblers and opponents managers to carry his opposition. Virtually all of his draws and no decisions were battles that he actually won. One must consider that Gans was the first black -American born- boxing champion, and he often suffered from racial prejudice and injustice and was sometimes forced to carry and even lose to white opponents. Willie Ritchie, lightweight champion from 1912-1914, who knew Gans, said, (Heller, 21) "Gans had to do as he was told by the white managers. They were crooks. They framed fights, and being a Negro the poor guy had to follow orders, otherwise he'd have starved to death."

[LuKahnLi]

* Joe Gans record according to the Boxing Register, the official Hall of Fame record book, is 120-8-9 (85 kayo’s) 18 No Decisions. Because of the hostile attitude towards black fighters he “often had to box to orders” (Odd, 45). McCallum wrote that “he frequently climbed into the ring handcuffed” (McCallum, 230) forced often by promises to gamblers and opponents managers to carry his opposition. Virtually all of his draws and no decisions were battles that he actually won. One must consider that Gans was the first black -American born- boxing champion, and he often suffered from racial prejudice and injustice and was sometimes forced to carry and even lose to white opponents. Willie Ritchie, lightweight champion from 1912-1914, who knew Gans, said, (Heller, 21) "Gans had to do as he was told by the white managers. They were crooks. They framed fights, and being a Negro the poor guy had to follow orders, otherwise he'd have starved to death."

Either way, Gans may have had magnificent skill. But his lack of tangible accomplishments puts him a FAR cry away from being the best ever. Sugar Ray Robinson on the otherhand......his accomplishments cannot be denied.

[SonnyG8R]

1. Ray Robinson
2. Henry Armstrong
3. Muhammad Ali
4. Jimmy Wilde
5. Sam Langford
6. Joe Louis
7. Roberto Duran
8. Willie Pep
9. Benny Leonard
10. Harry Greb

Roy Jones Jr. is probably top 20 or so.

[LuKahnLi]

1. Ray Robinson
2. Henry Armstrong
3. Muhammad Ali
4. Jimmy Wilde
5. Sam Langford
6. Joe Louis
7. Roberto Duran
8. Willie Pep
9. Benny Leonard
10. Harry Greb

Roy Jones Jr. is probably top 20 or so.

Jimmy Wilde #4?

He was damn good but I don't know about 4th all time. Which great fighters did he meet at Bantamweight at that time?

[TheGreat1]

1.RJJ
2.Ray Robinson
3.JCC

[sisforshaq]

Roy Jones over Sugar Ray Robinson?

[{BrownBomber}]

1.RJJ
2.Ray Robinson
3.JCC

I like your list my brother!
THE GREATONE HAS SPOKEN

[TheGreat1]

I like your list my brother!
THE GREATONE HAS SPOKEN

Thanks i thought i would be bashed for my list. I just don't think Ray Could have beaten RJJ in his prime, i don't think anyone could. How can you hit what you can't see. before Tarver RJJ had only lost about 10 rounds in his career. thats crazy. I hope people don't try to call me a nuthugger because Roy isn't or has never been my favorite fighter, but you have to respect his skills. He beat B-Hop, in B-Hop's prime. easy.

[sisforshaq]

Thanks i thought i would be bashed for my list. I just don't think Ray Could have beaten RJJ in his prime, i don't think anyone could. How can you hit what you can't see. before Tarver RJJ had only lost about 10 rounds in his career. thats crazy. I hope people don't try to call me a nuthugger because Roy isn't or has never been my favorite fighter, but you have to respect his skills. He beat B-Hop, in B-Hop's prime. easy.

True true, i wasnt bashing just looking for a reason.