Kevin Iole: "It is NOT fair to say the Floyd hasn't faced an elite WW before"

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  • Boss Don
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    #61
    Originally posted by Rich_Loc
    I was mad that he fought Judah too.

    That fight was a farce after Judah was exposed again.
    but he had signed to fight Judah before Judah lost to Baldomir

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    • Michael Hall
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      #62
      Originally posted by The Matrix
      I quit arguing with idiots like you months ago. I found how worthless it was to even try.
      smart man.

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      • The Big Dunn
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        #63
        Originally posted by Pullcounter
        judah and baldomir were "elite", but they ain't no margo, mosley or cotto
        Margo is a cheater. Shane yes. Cotto yes, BUT Manny fought him at 145. Don't you think making that weight took something out of Cotto?

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        • V.WEBB
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          #64
          Originally posted by Rich_Loc
          He destroyed Judah, arguably beat Cotto, gave Margarito a tough ass fight and reigned in the top of the rankings for years.


          He was an elite WW by any definition.
          Again...WHO did he beat? Not who he gave a close fight to or almost beat.

          He beat Judah..the same guy that ya'll are saying isn't "elite" but Josh is?

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          • illmaticfighter
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            #65
            Originally posted by Rich_Loc
            He destroyed Judah, arguably beat Cotto, gave Margarito a tough ass fight and reigned in the top of the rankings for years.


            He was an elite WW by any definition.
            baldo has a win over clottey,gave vernon forest a tough fight and destroyed judah wayyyyyyyyyyy before clottey did.

            he also was the number 1 welterweight at the time floyd fought him if clottey is elite so is baldo.

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            • Boss Don
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              #66
              Originally posted by Pullcounter
              judah and baldomir were "elite", but they ain't no margo, mosley or cotto
              Margarito is not a elite fighter

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              • pbftxrs316
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                #67
                you know it makes me sick that people give floyd **** about the the undisputed ww champion in baldomir---no matter how you rate him compare to others at the times, he was the ww champion of the world---and didn't shane duck floyd back in 06 when he wanted to fight shane---instead he fought baldomir---who's fault was that? floyd's? naw, i dont think so---so floyd fights judah, after judah loses to carlos, and judah puts up a hell of a better fight than carlos did, and floyd still gets **** for it---yet, cotto fights judah after his loss to floyd, a year suspension, and a no decision against a no name----and i didn't hear cotto get any **** for it----

                the same with manny and the morales situation---with zaheer rahim----and oscar and ricky---after they lost to floyd---i mean, didn't manny become p4p number after he beat oscar---or maybe it was after he beat that guy who many considered a bum at 135----yet, floyd gets hammered for it---the ****inng irony with this kid---

                i mean, brian kenny hounds floyd in an interivew with him, asking why he didn't fight carlos, before judah, even though judah gave floyd a much better fight than tata---

                then he hounds floyd on not fighting hatton at 140, not doing his homework, like he should have---hatton openly ducking floyd, saying he wasn't ready for him---then people on here gives floyd **** for fighting ricky at 147, not 140, when floyd came up from 130, and ricky, if i'm not mistaken, please, correct me if i am, started at 140, or was there for much longer than floyd was----he dusts ricky, who had struggled the last time he was at 147, yes, that's true, but he didn't struggle until later in the fight with collazo--knocked him down in the 1st round---and won a title from him---and, hang oooonnnnn, there's more---ricky walks around at about, hmmmmmm 180 doesn't he---so wouldn't be harder for him to make 140, then 147, and he was bigger than floyd fight night----wait a minute now----so manny ko's ricky in 2 rounds at 140, and floyd tko's ricky in 10 rounds at 147, so which weight was ricky better at----hr ducked floyd in 2005, when floyd dusted gatti and put a huge fear in every fighter around his weight class inlcuding, ricky hatton, winky wright, yes, winky wright ducked floyd in 2005, shane moslye, oscar de la hoya, vivian harris lost to a bum on the undercard of gatti-mayweather, cotto wanted no parts of floyd, kept his mouth closed, and floyd proposed a fight with cotto to arum back in late 2005 and 2006, and arum said, hell naw---why don't fight margarito, a ****ing no name, hadn't proved **** yet, and floyd said why fight that bum----which he turned out to be---and a cheater----when i could fight de la hoya for the biggest fight in history--which is still is financially speaking---so floyd fights sharmba mitchell, a guy, who manny steward, the legendaary trainer, said he would favor over floyd or at least match him up equally with, and we all know how that turned out---

                so, do you see where i'm getting at---floyd fought hatton in late 2007 at 147 right--just a year and a half prior to that, he was at 140, and just a year and a half prior to that, he was at 135---and he defended his title against ricky---so it wasn't just for nothing--and wasn't floyd the undisputed ww champion? i think he was---and if floyd fought bums at ww, why didn't he go back a couple spots on the p4p list?

                answer that one so called geniuses? floyd stayed atop the p4p list after his win over baldmomir, even though he fought judah prior to it? why is that? why didn't manny take his spot then, or shane, or joe c., and why were they debating on switching joe and manny's spots with each other, not floyd's------coz floyd fought the champion of the division and the former champion of the division and dominated them both---that's why----who was the last undisputed ww champion---i don't give two ****s how you rate carlos or judah----coz, if that's the case, then clottey, manny, and cotto fought bums---cotto and clottey fought judah after floyd did---manny beat the guys who fought judah after floyd did---manny fought and beat the guys floyd fought and beat first when one was undefeated and one was coming off of a layoff, yes, but was at his healthy weight class, and not drained, and coming off of a tko win over the champion of that division, thus floyd becoming the champion of that division---now, i don't blame manny for fighting oscar at 147---he came up 2 divisions to do so----but had oscar won that fight, would you badmouth oscar like you did floyd when he fought jmm? coz that puts floyd and oscar in a no win situation doesn't it? and that is totally unfair----


                pay attention people----opeb your eyes---

                yes, floyd could have fought williams, margarito, cotto, clottey, shane back then, just as much as they could have fought him----most of them being under top rank didn't help their cause though---bob arum, whether you want to admit it or not, is a ****ing snake----he ruins fights before they have a chance to take place----this is the truth---also--

                but floyd was the last lineal ww champion---berto fought for a vacant title, cotto has fought for vacant title damn near his whole career---tony cheated the system---so did shane to a certain point, but floyd is fighting shane now, so people need to stop bitching about his ww run----what will they say after he pumbles shane and then manny-----what excuse will there be then?

                floyd is the best period---i don't care what anybody says----


                and and before i forget----did shane fight mayorga? and wasn't he signed to fight that so called non elite fighter in judah also? where does that put shane? yes, he fought the cheater in tony, who lost to paul williams, and yes, he fought cotto, who lost to a cheater----but he wasn signed to fight judah also---but, i guess, only floyd gets the criticism for it, and shane has never been the undisputed ww champion---but imo, he is the official ww champion---yes, manny beat the man who beat shane, but at 145---that doesn't count---and cotto had a close fight with shane, and shane dominated and ko'ed margarito----so who was really the ww champion? and who is really the ww champion? shane mosley is the ww champion---coz manny's ducked shane for manny didn't he? this fight between floyd and shane is for the ww championship, even though shane's title isn't at stake----manny should be the number 3 ww, behind the last lineal champion, floyd, and the current ww champion, shane---
                Last edited by pbftxrs316; 04-27-2010, 03:09 PM.

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                • The Gambler1981
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                  #68
                  Originally posted by Rich_Loc
                  Margarito was a 3 time champ, fought every hard guy in the division and was a top 5 WW for 9 straight years.

                  Baldomir ain't **** compared to Margarito.

                  You're from Michigan, so I'll give you a pass for your blatant nuthuggery.
                  Margarito not once was the real champ at 147, a real championship **** on a 1,000 paper belts~

                  Also Baldomir is a real man not someone who would need to rely on cowardly acts like loading gloves~.

                  Baldomir actually deserves respect~

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                  • Michael Hall
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                    #69
                    Originally posted by Big Dunn
                    Not true. Duran and leonard lost to bums. Ali lost to spinks!

                    i was being sarcastic. look at the post i replied to.
                    Last edited by Michael Hall; 04-27-2010, 02:54 PM.

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                    • illmaticfighter
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                      #70
                      Originally posted by Pullcounter
                      judah and baldomir were "elite", but they ain't no margo, mosley or cotto
                      co-sign...

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