Comments Thread For: Froch: I'll Quit Super Six if Abraham Fight is in Germany

[Bhopreign]

As I've already said in my earlier post, he wasn't invited because when he was approached informally, he made it clear that he was going to fight Andrade on HBO in November come what may, by which time the Super 6 was due to have started. They admitted this in a recent article in The Ring magazine. And I don't think there's anything wrong with that. To Bute, proving that he could beat Andrade decisively was more important than anything else, and I think that's admirable; and HBO is more lucrative than Showtime. I'm not criticising him at all. But facts are facts.

Trust me his whole thing is, I can fight in Canada and sell out every fight, why fight guys in the super six and risk losing my title, when Im making alot of money fighting in Canada, I dont blame him either.

[catalinul]

As I've already said in my earlier post, he wasn't invited because when he was approached informally, he made it clear that he was going to fight Andrade on HBO in November come what may, by which time the Super 6 was due to have started. They admitted this in a recent article in The Ring magazine. And I don't think there's anything wrong with that. To Bute, proving that he could beat Andrade decisively was more important than anything else, and I think that's admirable; and HBO is more lucrative than Showtime. I'm not criticising him at all. But facts are facts.

Well then I agree with you,that is indeed what happened.

In the big picture maybe entering the Super Six would have been better for him but there would have been too many voices saying he would be ducking Andrade then.

[Tiozzo]

It didn't happen because it was in The Ring? Grow up!!!

So what's your theory about why Showtime have a vendetta against him? And if you really think they do have a vendetta against him, what's your theory about why both Showtime and Bute have been so careful not to say anything bad about each other? Don't you think if they really had a vendetta against Bute, Bute would have complained bitterly? And if they really had a vendetta against him, don't you think they'd have rubbished his record or said something bad about him to justify their decision to leave him out?

Just buy The Ring if you don't believe me. Back issues can be bought from their web site.

it didn't happen because you can't show it to me here and now (sarcasm doesn't travel well over the internet, fact)

I have never said Showtime had a vendetta against Bute
you took this right out of your imagination
I said they didn't invite him, leaving him out
don't forget this tournament is basically America (United States more than America) vs Europe. Bute is a canadian based fighter. They probably prefered to have 3 americans to create and keep that America vs Europe buzz intact
whereas bringing Bute in would have made it more international. So I do believe Showtime prefered not to have Bute in. But vendetta ? you made that up

what did Showtime say about Bute being out ? they said the tournament works anyway (which is true)

[Tiozzo]

What I was objecting to was the arrogant way you stated you opinion (which is only an opinion, and is not shared by the majority of professional boxing writers).

I got a bit upset, I admit

I didn't say you were, I just said that you're in a minority. I don't agree with Battling Nelson, in the sense I think it's possible that he would have beaten a valid count; but I don't agree with you that it's a certainty; I do think there is a huge question mark over that win, which Bute implicitly acknowledged by giving Andrade an immediate rematch; and the fact is that your statement that anyone who disagrees with your opinion is an idiot was the height of arrogance.

I agree with this

There was also controversy over a warning the ref gave Andrade in the previous round, which most boxing writers thought was unjustified, and which they thought could have bought Bute time to recover without which he'd have been knocked out in the 11th.[/QUOTE]

speculation in the end (I know it's not yours)

[15 Rounds]

Froch what a big baby

[Dave Rado]

Trust me his whole thing is, I can fight in Canada and sell out every fight, why fight guys in the super six and risk losing my title, when Im making alot of money fighting in Canada, I dont blame him either.

Why should we trust you?????

[Dave Rado]

it didn't happen because you can't show it to me here and now

If you were interested finding out the truth, you'd just buy a back copy of The Ring.

Your theory about why Showtime didn't want him in the tournament makes a lot less commercial sense to me, given Bute's standing in the division, than what The Ring said was the real reason. And it's undisputed fact, not just opinion, that he was very keen to rematch Andrade quickly, in order to dispel all the doubts; that he had already signed with HBO for the rematch before the Super 6 was announced, and that the Andrade fight happened well after the start date of the tournament. Given all that, what The Ring said makes a great deal of sense.

[Tiozzo]

If you were interested finding out the truth, you'd just buy a back copy of The Ring.

Your theory about why Showtime didn't want him in the tournament makes a lot less commercial sense to me, given Bute's standing in the division, than what The Ring said was the real reason. And it's undisputed fact, not just opinion, that he was very keen to rematch Andrade quickly, in order to dispel all the doubts; that he had already signed with HBO for the rematch before the Super 6 was announced, and that the Andrade fight happened well after the start date of the tournament. Given all that, what The Ring said makes a great deal of sense.

What about the IBF position in all this ? Would they have let Bute go into the tournament without having to face any mandatory challenger ? Do we even know it ?

You said Bute gave an immediate rematch to Andrade to erase his loss, and it's not even true. He fought Fulgencio Zuniga in-between his 2 fights against Andrade, and Andrade was mandatory challenger BOTH TIMES. Bute had to fight him again. Would the IBF (and the fans) have thought Bute was running from a rematch had he entered in the tournament ? I do know Bute wanted the rematch badly, and I would like to know if the IBF would have stripped Bute if he didn't take it to participate in the Super Six instead.

[Dave Rado]

What about the IBF position in all this ? Would they have let Bute go into the tournament without having to face any mandatory challenger ? Do we even know it ?

You said Bute gave an immediate rematch to Andrade to erase his loss, and it's not even true. He fought Fulgencio Zuniga in-between his 2 fights against Andrade, and Andrade was mandatory challenger BOTH TIMES. Bute had to fight him again. Would the IBF (and the fans) have thought Bute was running from a rematch had he entered in the tournament ? I do know Bute wanted the rematch badly, and I would like to know if the IBF would have stripped Bute if he didn't take it to participate in the Super Six instead.

None of what you say above contradicts what The Ring said - if anything, it backs it up. (Okay, I'd forgotten about the Zuniga fight, but it doesn't really affect the substance of what I said). And none of what you said above supports your other theory about it just being a matter of Showtime not wanting a Canadian-Romanian in the tourney.

Also, if the latter were the case, I would have expected Bute to have complained, as I said before - especially as Showtime were claiming that the tournament was to decide who the #1 Super Middleweight in the world is, which I would have expected Bute to contradict angrily - and he didn't, which also backs up what The Ring said, that he was informally consulted by Showtime, but because of the Andrade rematch being non-negotiable, was never invited; and that that was by mutual consent.

[adietheforestfa]

Awww, did I hurt your feelings? You must be one of the weaker and more malnourished Brits around.

I would suggest eating some of the cheese out from under your foreskin if you can't get back on the dole.

I guess you will not be in SA to give the England Boys a kicking then.