Comments Thread For: Froch: I'll Quit Super Six if Abraham Fight is in Germany

[Tiozzo]

The Ring magazine had a detailed report in which his own camp admitted they were approached. The magazine articles don't appear online. Don't you buy The Ring? I strongly recommend it, it's a great magazine!

then it didn't happen, sorry

[Hitman932]

Potential is the right word, that's the point. He won't achieve that status unless he steps up and beats the Super 6 winner. Erdei spent five whole years as a so-called world champion, during which time he didn't fight a single fighter in The Ring's top 10. (And Andrade is still in The Ring's top 10, even now). If Bute spends the next five years fighting unranked fighters, he'll become a laughing stock as well. In the meantime, the comparison you made is ridiculous.

Are you sure that Hugo Garay at 20-0 wasn't in the Ring Top 10 when Erdei beat him? I bet you didn't actually look it up and simply typed that out as if it were a stone cold fact.

Julio Caesar Gonzalez, 35-1, whom Erdei beat to take the title is also head and shoulders better than the guy Bute beat for his title.

I am pretty damn sure that Gonzalez was in the Ring Top 3 when Erdei beat him.

Fragomeni was also firmly planted in the Ring top 10 at Cruiserweight when Erdei gave up 20 pounds and beat him.

Right there are 4 fights won by Erdei that either equal or surpass Bute's best victories.

Your post is ridiculous and fails to make any kind of point.

[Tiozzo]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ARs8axyaDz0

come on Dave Rado and BattlingNelson, if you can count from 1 to 10, count for yourself a real count like it should have been, you'll see what I'm saying

Bute up at the end of a real count (up at 8), the fight had run out of time anyway

I will definitely stay true to my statement : everybody is blinded by the poor referee job that ****ing B. Wright did, no robbery, just the apparence of it, but when a man goes beyond apparences, he can see the truth behind it

[WESS]

haha Froch you silly bastard, you wont win another fight in the Super Six!

[Dave Rado]

look, you usually are a good poster, so instead of talking ****, go to Youtube, watch the end of the fight and make your own count

I make it 11 seconds. I guess it depends on what you count as being up.

as I have already said, the ref created the controversy that led to people calling it a robbery

What I was objecting to was the arrogant way you stated you opinion (which is only an opinion, and is not shared by the majority of professional boxing writers).

I'm not alone thinking what I have stated

I didn't say you were, I just said that you're in a minority. I don't agree with Battling Nelson, in the sense I think it's possible that he would have beaten a valid count; but I don't agree with you that it's a certainty; I do think there is a huge question mark over that win, which Bute implicitly acknowledged by giving Andrade an immediate rematch; and the fact is that your statement that anyone who disagrees with your opinion is an idiot was the height of arrogance.

There was also controversy over a warning the ref gave Andrade in the previous round, which most boxing writers thought was unjustified, and which they thought could have bought Bute time to recover without which he'd have been knocked out in the 11th.

[Dave Rado]

Are you sure that Hugo Garay at 20-0 wasn't in the Ring Top 10 when Erdei beat him?

Yes I'm sure - see here and here.

I bet you didn't actually look it up and simply typed that out as if it were a stone cold fact.

It's been stated often enough by boxing historians who do look these things up that I don't need to reinvent the wheel.

Julio Caesar Gonzalez, 35-1, whom Erdei beat to take the title is also head and shoulders better than the guy Bute beat for his title.

I am pretty damn sure that Gonzalez was in the Ring Top 3 when Erdei beat him.

Yes he was. But then he spent the next five years fighting unrated fighters and didn't defend against a rated fighter even once. Bute has already beaten two fighters in The Ring's top 10, and looked impressive in the rematch with Andrade. But he'll lose his credibility pretty quick if he fights patsies for the next five years.

Fragomeni was also firmly planted in the Ring top 10 at Cruiserweight when Erdei gave up 20 pounds and beat him.

The point is that he hasn't once defended his Light Heavyweight title against a legitimate contender, in five whole years.

[Dave Rado]

then it didn't happen, sorry

It didn't happen because it was in The Ring? Grow up!!!

So what's your theory about why Showtime have a vendetta against him? And if you really think they do have a vendetta against him, what's your theory about why both Showtime and Bute have been so careful not to say anything bad about each other? Don't you think if they really had a vendetta against Bute, Bute would have complained bitterly? And if they really had a vendetta against him, don't you think they'd have rubbished his record or said something bad about him to justify their decision to leave him out?

Just buy The Ring if you don't believe me. Back issues can be bought from their web site.

[-Hyperion-]

it isnt going to change the fact that he is getting KOed, froch is......

[catalinul]

The Ring magazine had a detailed report in which his own camp admitted they were approached. The magazine articles don't appear online. Don't you buy The Ring? I strongly recommend it, it's a great magazine!

Ken Herschman from Showtime said it himself that Bute wasn't invited.

Also Bute's manager denied it.

[Dave Rado]

Ken Herschman from Showtime said it himself that Bute wasn't invited.

Also Bute's manager denied it.

As I've already said in my earlier post, he wasn't invited because when he was approached informally, he made it clear that he was going to fight Andrade on HBO in November come what may, by which time the Super 6 was due to have started. They admitted this in a recent article in The Ring magazine. And I don't think there's anything wrong with that. To Bute, proving that he could beat Andrade decisively was more important than anything else, and I think that's admirable; and HBO is more lucrative than Showtime. I'm not criticising him at all. But facts are facts.