FAO: anti-PED crusaders

[The Gambler1981]

I don't get the analogy to what I posted.


yep, but without proof its just an accusation.


almost doesn't count. either prove me guilty or no judgment can be made.



that says more about you (and your culture) than anything about pac. it says that if you had an opportunity to cheat, you would. Pac is not you, so you can't force your cultural understanding on pac. that's ethnocentric.

I am a gambler and I have watched people try to cheat in a number of ways, I will bend the rules to win, but if I am accused of cheating and I am not I don't hide behind excuses like pride, hubris and supersition.

How can you prove someeone is cheating if they hide behind excuses and refuse to truly be tested in the best possible manner and infact fight it.

The analogy is that people will think what they want about how a situation appears and if I allow them to think in that way that is my fate~


Manny can do whatever he wants but his actions are up for interpretation no mattter how much you try and hide that fact.

[The Gambler1981]

this whole thing has been oversimplified as "floyd wanting to implement stricter testing" and manny "refusing it", which is not the case.

don't get me wrong, i won't mind manny taking the ****** test. but the whole premise of the whole testing is laced with malice. it was floyd sr. who started accusing him, someone affiliated with the guy who was requesting stricter testing.

yet they claim it isn't some sort of accusation.

it isn't about the cut off date. or fear of getting caught. its about ego. its like the hatton-pac negotiations where manny felt that he deserves more than 50-50. he ended up agreeing to 52-48 or something like that.

same case here. 14 day cut off or a 21 day cut off won't make that much of a difference. its about not bowing down to your opponent's demands.

I don't think drug testing is something that can really be compromised on.

Pride and hubris are some of the biggest faults a man can have and are not really valid reason's to avoid testing. Sometimes in life you need to do things you do not like to get the big rewards and Manny really showed he was unwilling to do this, even if he is clean to me that is still a fault.

The pressure would have been put on Floyd if Manny said yes, if Floyd was so scared as his side claims Floyd would have found another way out and looking at the situation Floyd was the one trying to make it happean and they would have the high ground.

All Manny needed to do is say yes and this is never even a real issue and shuts up his detractors which before this event had nothing to point to, but once you start fighting better testing there is no way to come out looking good in this day and age for whatever reason.

[Seleção No. 13]

Everyone who's jumping into conclusions that Pacquiao is using steroids are sourpuss. Get over it.

[Pullcounter]

I am a gambler and I have watched people try to cheat in a number of ways, I will bend the rules to win, but if I am accused of cheating and I am not I don't hide behind excuses like pride, hubris and supersition.

so you admit you're a cheater (or a potential one) and come from a culture predisposed to cheating. you might mentally be able to understand what pride and honor is, but you don't understand how important it is to pac. I do not condemn you for not understanding pac, since you are a cheater and come from a culture of cheating and not a culture of honor or pride.

you don't understand honor or pride. that's not your fault, but you gotta understand that people don't perceive/understand/live life the same way you do.

How can you prove someeone is cheating if they hide behind excuses and refuse to truly be tested in the best possible manner and infact fight it.

burden of proof is on the accuser, not the accused. if you're gonna accuse someone of cheating, you best have evidence of cheating before the fact.

The analogy is that people will think what they want about how a situation appears and if I allow them to think in that way that is my fate~

yeah, but you are a cheater and come from a culture of cheating. Is the problem the guy who has never been caught cheating before, or is it the cheaters and their culture of cheating that is to be suspect.

Manny can do whatever he wants but his actions are up for interpretation no mattter how much you try and hide that fact.

agreed, cheaters coming from a culture of cheating are gonna interpret everything pac does from a perspective of cheating, but these cheaters and their culture should be critiqued, not pac who has never been caught cheating and who comes from a culture where honor and pride provide serious counters against cheaters.

[The Gambler1981]

so you admit you're a cheater (or a potential one) and come from a culture predisposed to cheating. you might mentally be able to understand what pride and honor is, but you don't understand how important it is to pac. I do not condemn you for not understanding pac, since you are a cheater and come from a culture of cheating and not a culture of honor or pride.

you don't understand honor or pride. that's not your fault, but you gotta understand that people don't perceive/understand/live life the same way you do.


burden of proof is on the accuser, not the accused. if you're gonna accuse someone of cheating, you best have evidence of cheating before the fact.


yeah, but you are a cheater and come from a culture of cheating. Is the problem the guy who has never been caught cheating before, or is it the cheaters and their culture of cheating that is to be suspect.

agreed, cheaters coming from a culture of cheating are gonna interpret everything pac does from a perspective of cheating, but these cheaters and their culture should be critiqued, not pac who has never been caught cheating and who comes from a culture where honor and pride provide serious counters against cheaters.

LOL, you don't ask a preacher how bank robbers opperate. As for what you are saying that is grand and all but in the real world thinking like that is foolhardy.

[Ryannn]

I don't think drug testing is something that can really be compromised on.

Pride and hubris are some of the biggest faults a man can have and are not really valid reason's to avoid testing. Sometimes in life you need to do things you do not like to get the big rewards and Manny really showed he was unwilling to do this, even if he is clean to me that is still a fault.

The pressure would have been put on Floyd if Manny said yes, if Floyd was so scared as his side claims Floyd would have found another way out and looking at the situation Floyd was the one trying to make it happean and they would have the high ground.

All Manny needed to do is say yes and this is never even a real issue and shuts up his detractors which before this event had nothing to point to, but once you start fighting better testing there is no way to come out looking good in this day and age for whatever reason.

you are looking at this case from your culture's point of view.

some say that "$40 million is enough for me to give all the blood they need" or "take the $$$$ and prove you are clean".

some cultures aren't so obsessed with money. some value pride over material things, believe it or not.

maybe manny felt he had enough money, and even $40 million is not enough to let someone make money of off him who tried to ruin his name.

i would put manny at fault if there were no accusations made prior to the negotiations. but the fact that his win against hatton is being questioned by floyd sr. even before floyd-manny negotiations started, then he has every right to tell them to go **** themselves.

there has been absolutely no reason for him to take stricter testing except for floyd sr.'s accusations.

if he was cheating, something should have come out by now, as many are trying so desperately to prove his guilt.

so far, nothing has presented itself. no witness, drug dealer claims, nothing.

[jqSide]

I don't think drug testing is something that can really be compromised on.

Pride and hubris are some of the biggest faults a man can have and are not really valid reason's to avoid testing. Sometimes in life you need to do things you do not like to get the big rewards and Manny really showed he was unwilling to do this, even if he is clean to me that is still a fault.

The pressure would have been put on Floyd if Manny said yes, if Floyd was so scared as his side claims Floyd would have found another way out and looking at the situation Floyd was the one trying to make it happean and they would have the high ground.

All Manny needed to do is say yes and this is never even a real issue and shuts up his detractors which before this event had nothing to point to, but once you start fighting better testing there is no way to come out looking good in this day and age for whatever reason.

So the moral lesson of the story is that it's okay to accuse people of cheating without evidence. You must be a cheater yourself. Prove to me that you are not. Your whole premise is I am allowed to accuse you of something nasty and you owe me an explanation. How ****** is that?

[Blubba]

Does that apply to weight penalties also?? Or just the select fight conditions you choose to focus on?

Weight and glove sizes actually have an in-ring impact. Drug testing does not.

hahaha what a moron.

How does weight penalty have "in-ring impact"? Penalty (financially) only applies if Floyd came in over 147? You don't think he's gonna come in over 147 do you?

8oz is for 147 so nothing wrong there, weight penalties is perfectly fine as it is overseen within the commission on weigh-in day with their official scales.

Blood sampling requires another governing body outside of the commission.

[The Gambler1981]

So the moral lesson of the story is that it's okay to accuse people of cheating without evidence. You must be a cheater yourself. Prove to me that you are not. Your whole premise is I am allowed to accuse you of something nasty and you owe me an explanation. How ****** is that?

So what? They are accusations you either deal with them or let them linger on.

I have been accused of cheating when not cheating so it really doesn't bother me.

Pride is not an excuse~`

[The Gambler1981]

you are looking at this case from your culture's point of view.

some say that "$40 million is enough for me to give all the blood they need" or "take the $$$$ and prove you are clean".

some cultures aren't so obsessed with money. some value pride over material things, believe it or not.

maybe manny felt he had enough money, and even $40 million is not enough to let someone make money of off him who tried to ruin his name.

i would put manny at fault if there were no accusations made prior to the negotiations. but the fact that his win against hatton is being questioned by floyd sr. even before floyd-manny negotiations started, then he has every right to tell them to go **** themselves.

there has been absolutely no reason for him to take stricter testing except for floyd sr.'s accusations.

if he was cheating, something should have come out by now, as many are trying so desperately to prove his guilt.

so far, nothing has presented itself. no witness, drug dealer claims, nothing.

Pride is not a valid excuse and can be even worse of a fault than greed.