FAO: anti-PED crusaders

[Talisayen]

Why didn't Pacquiao accept? Call Mayweather's bluff.


Exactly.

Why not fight using the same rules that Floyd's used from his previous fight?

Why need to put up a roadblock?

Scared much...?

[The Gambler1981]

that is a poor analogy.

manny didnt "run away". he was willing to take the test far stricter than what is required of him.

what if in the nba finals, the cavs asked the lakers until they all go through a rigorous, non-required testing to prove they are not cheating? the lakers can accept the test and all is fine and well. or they can tell the cavs to go fuck themselves.

in manny case, he chose the latter.

My analogy is much better than yours.

The NBA and boxing are nothing alike the rules are set at a national level everyone knows the rules. They only thing alike about them is they are sports. There is no David Stern of boxing, I wish there was because his iron grip would not have allowed this to occur and would have told Floyd to shut the **** up and Manny to take the tests and they would say yes sir.


In boxing the rules are very different and go on a fight by fight basis much like a 3 card monte game and if you don't know what to look for and look out for yourself you are going to get fleeced. Which if you fight someone on an uneven playing field you are likely to get fleeced.

[The Gambler1981]

Why didn't Pacquiao accept? Call Mayweather's bluff.


Exactly.

That also, he would have been like 50 million richer, his legacy would be greater (if he won) and he would get the chance to shut up his loudest detractors.

Those seem like decent reasons to do something that you are not to fond up but both sides are doing. Floyd had no way out of the fight if Manny said yes and we would already be talking about this fight as part of boxing lore in regard to one man instead of this **** dragging on for atleast a year.

[Pullcounter]

If we are playing 3 card monte, you suggest I am cheating and I run away do you think I would be innocent or guilty you have no real proof other than I took a bunch of your money, 3 card monte is an easy game to cheat at and I did not let you find me out.

without actual proof of cheating the accusaation is still only an accusation. a judgment of guilt or innocence is premature.

but if the accuser has a history of lying and the accused has a history of passing past tests of cheating, then I would lean towards the accused.

[The Gambler1981]

without actual proof of cheating the accusaation is still only an accusation. a judgment of guilt or innocence is premature.

If I get shot in the back running away what is the difference~, cheating is cheating and refusing to prove you innocence is almost like being guilty. the second Manny fought the testing was the second I wanted to see him tested.

[Ryannn]

The commission thing is such a cop out arguement, they can not imnplement something for one fight they have to do it for the whole. There are way more issues to think about for them including cost and how it would effect boxing overall in their state, since if they are the only state to implement such testing fighters that are dirty will just avoid fighting there. Also as a government agency they are not known for moving swiftly, and they only way they would implement such a thing is if someone gets seriously hurt by a cheater, and what sucks is that is a life that could be saved by forward thinking instead of just milking the current system.

Then there is the whole issue would they shoot themself in the foot if a guy was guilty taking money out of their own pocket. Plus they would miss out on all the big time fights dirty fighters fight in if they were the only state to do this, as there is no national leadership it is hard to imagine every state being on the same page.

Also take into account the dirty fighters and their teams would fight such changes thus making any real change more difficult.

It was a simple issue that involved one guy looking out for his interests, if you do not look out for yourself someone is going to pull one over on you.

thanks for discussing it like an adult.

still, there is someway to improve testing if they truly feel the current one is inadequate.

if a better testing is required for all boxers, then they would have achieved what they claim to be their goal.

it should be the standard, not just for one fight or one fighter.

[The Gambler1981]

thanks for discussing it like an adult.

still, there is someway to improve testing if they truly feel the current one is inadequate.

if a better testing is required for all boxers, then they would have achieved what they claim to be their goal.

it should be the standard, not just for one fight or one fighter.

They can improve without going all the way to Olympic Style testing but still third party testing is the way to go since that lessens the risks of conflicts of interests but it would probably need to be USADA since they are really the only one with the clout to cancle fights like that and not care.

[Pullcounter]

Why didn't Pacquiao accept? Call Mayweather's bluff.


Exactly.

pac doesn't have to accept. there's wasn't enough in the pot to go all in imho. Pac should've raised the stakes and offered that he would do OST but ony if the pot was split 70/30 in favor of pac and pac gets his name put first on all promotional stuff.

IMHO, that's a deal killer, but so was floyd's OST demand.

[Ryannn]

My analogy is much better than yours.

The NBA and boxing are nothing alike the rules are set at a national level everyone knows the rules. They only thing alike about them is they are sports. There is no David Stern of boxing, I wish there was because his iron grip would not have allowed this to occur and would have told Floyd to shut the **** up and Manny to take the tests and they would say yes sir.


In boxing the rules are very different and go on a fight by fight basis much like a 3 card monte game and if you don't know what to look for and look out for yourself you are going to get fleeced. Which if you fight someone on an uneven playing field you are likely to get fleeced.

this whole thing has been oversimplified as "floyd wanting to implement stricter testing" and manny "refusing it", which is not the case.

don't get me wrong, i won't mind manny taking the ****** test. but the whole premise of the whole testing is laced with malice. it was floyd sr. who started accusing him, someone affiliated with the guy who was requesting stricter testing.

yet they claim it isn't some sort of accusation.

it isn't about the cut off date. or fear of getting caught. its about ego. its like the hatton-pac negotiations where manny felt that he deserves more than 50-50. he ended up agreeing to 52-48 or something like that.

same case here. 14 day cut off or a 21 day cut off won't make that much of a difference. its about not bowing down to your opponent's demands.

[Pullcounter]

If I get shot in the back running away what is the difference~,

I don't get the analogy to what I posted.

cheating is cheating

yep, but without proof its just an accusation.

and refusing to prove you innocence is almost like being guilty.

almost doesn't count. either prove me guilty or no judgment can be made.

the second Manny fought the testing was the second I wanted to see him tested.

that says more about you (and your culture) than anything about pac. it says that if you had an opportunity to cheat, you would. Pac is not you, so you can't force your cultural understanding on pac. that's ethnocentric.