So why isnt Wladimer top 10 P4P?

[Pirao]

greek k given back dont worry :P

Thx man, I'll give back to you ASAP.

[-Lowkey-]

Of course he did, and you were wrong, as usual. How to spot a hater: they keep bringing up Wlad's losses to Sanders and Purrity even though they mean **** right now.

Chagaev or Byrd are Wlad's best win.

If you're not a Haye fan, you're a Klitschko hater, so you still have an agenda to try and discredit Wlad.

Of course you do, the almighty Frank Bruno beat nothing but world beaters during his lenghty reign of 0 (lol) title defenses.

Edit: I checked your posts and yes, you're a Haye nuthugger, why else would you be defending his ducking of the K bros?

yeah wins against Chagaev and Byrd do not warrant p4p status in my opinion

if haye signs to fight anyone else other than either klit in his next fight i will hold my hands up and admit he’s a coward. I only give haye about a 20% chance against either anyway

At the end of the day wlad is not on most boxing experts and respected p4p lists for a reason you can argue about it until the cows come home we will never agree maybe if wlad was around in a time when the heavyweight division wasn’t so disgraceful he might have a shout but that’s all subjective that’s all I have to say on the matter im not a hater I do find him boring to watch and I wouldn’t have him on my top 10 p4p list I think most people share that opinion but I wouldn’t class that as hate

[Pirao]

yeah wins against Chagaev and Byrd do not warrant p4p status in my opinion

if haye signs to fight anyone else other than either klit in his next fight i will hold my hands up and admit he’s a coward. I only give haye about a 20% chance against either anyway

At the end of the day wlad is not on most boxing experts and respected p4p lists for a reason you can argue about it until the cows come home we will never agree maybe if wlad was around in a time when the heavyweight division wasn’t so disgraceful he might have a shout but that’s all subjective that’s all I have to say on the matter im not a hater I do find him boring to watch and I wouldn’t have him on my top 10 p4p list I think most people share that opinion but I wouldn’t class that as hate

Wlad indeed is on most boxing experts and respected P4P lists, moron, didn't you see the list I provided earlier?

[-Lowkey-]

Wlad indeed is on most boxing experts and respected P4P lists, moron, didn't you see the list I provided earlier?

nope just nope... dont resort to name calling because your hero is nothing more than the best of a bad (very bad) bunch

[Pirao]

nope just nope... dont resort to name calling because your hero is nothing more than the best of a bad (very bad) bunch

Don't ignore the facts presented before you just because they destroy your argument. You're welcome to present a list of rankings that don't include Wlad in the top 10, if you're not willing to do it, however, **** off.

[-Lowkey-]

http://www.secondsout.com/pound-4-pound

http://www.ringtv.com/ratings/

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/boxing/4181323.stm

like i said we can argue all day wlads resume is weak as ****.

[Shazam!]

Come on, it doesn't matter if it's not the strongest division. If you're that dominant you deserve to be in the P4P Top Ten.

Wlad is an unfortunate victim of his own ability, much in the same way that Mayweather is. Not to say he's Mayweather's equal, but because he makes his opponents look so bad everyone bemoans the level of opposition. Fact is, Wlad is a ****in beast of a heavyweight, just like his brother. You don't dominate for that long without being a great fighter. I'm sorry. You just don't. Let's get real for a second here.

[beez721]

The P4P list is how good the fighters are if they were around the same size, if Wlad didn't have the size advantage he wouldn't be able to do what he does now to his opponents.

ridicuous. most guys wlads size are slow. size can be as much a handicap as it can an advantage. wlad would be even quicker if he was smaller and his left rights would still be knocking guys out. he's top 10 lb4lb. end of story

[The Hammer]

Klitschkos have long family bloodlines to ****s .. in fact wasnt their grandparents ****s ...!??
Is that why their fan base is mostly german based !??
Anyone wanna shed some light on this !!!!

You lying bastard.

The Klitschkos grandfathers fought the ****s. Their paternal grandmother is ***ish.

[The Hammer]

Because he outweighs most of his opponents by 20-40 pounds.

He's ripped at 240+ and the only fighters that weigh even close to him are grossly out of shape (Rahman, Austin, shomewhat Thompson). **** no one would classify Ibragimov and Chagaev as fit as they can be and they were outweighed by 20 pounds.

You can say that when it's heavyweight, weight matters less, but when Donaire fought a Concepcion that only had 4.5 pounds on him, he could even dent him. Concepcion was getting hurt on almost every shot by Arce and he was treating Donaire as if he were feather-fisted.

If you give Pacquiao, Mayweather, Mosley, etc. even a 5 pound weight advantage at a weigh in, they would continually demolish every opponent they face.

Wlad's record:

http://boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?hum...7035&cat=boxer

Many of his opponents WEIGHED MORE THAN HE DID:

Thompson
Rahman
Austin
Jefferson
Moli
McCline
Koch
Shaheed
Purrity
Pannell
Dixon
LaRosa
McIntyre
Botowamungu
Martin x 2
Monroe x 2
Wolfgramme
G. Williamson
Maciel

For those 21 fights and a few others Wlad's opponents were bigger than he is. Frans Botha weighed exactly the same. About ten others were very close to the same weight...

Why not admit you hate Wladimir because he's white, QUELOQUE?