So why isnt Wladimer top 10 P4P?

[#1Assassin]

hes dominating a bum division. ppl who understand boxing and are not overly biased can see the likes of chambers, arreola and the other so called top HW contenders are bums. they are both fat, arreola lacks skill and chambers lacks heart. hell even chambers whos supposed to be one of the more skilled HWs isnt really that skilled, in fact in any other division he would be looked at as someone who lacked skill. look at adamek, he was a brawler at the lower weights now hes coming up looking like willie pep.

the HWs are fat, unmotivated bums. the klits deserve credit for staying on top of their game in a division with no talent outside of themselfs but that doesnt put them amongst the elite p4p. they are basic fighters with basic skills they just happen to have the size and more importantly desire everyone else in their division lacks.

[Pirao]

hes dominating a bum division. ppl who understand boxing and are not overly biased can see the likes of chambers, arreola and the other so called top HW contenders are bums. they are both fat, arreola lacks skill and chambers lacks heart. hell even chambers whos supposed to be one of the more skilled HWs isnt really that skilled, in fact in any other division he would be looked at as someone who lacked skill. look at adamek, he was a brawler at the lower weights now hes coming up looking like willie pep.

the HWs are fat, unmotivated bums. the klits deserve credit for staying on top of their game in a division with no talent outside of themselfs but that doesnt put them amongst the elite p4p. they are basic fighters with basic skills they just happen to have the size and more importantly desire everyone else in their division lacks.

When has Adamek looked like Willie Pep? certainly not against shot Golota or Estrada who is top 50 HW at best. If Arreola destroys Adamek this weekend, as I think he will, what will you have to say about him then?

[STEELHEAD]

FAO: MUG

There was only ONE legit knockdown in the Wlad/Peter fight....Wlad dominated the fight and had Peter badly hurt and out on his feet in the 12th round. If there was a 13th round Peter would've got KTFO by Wlad.

peter is barely above clubfighter in anyother era.

you're all missing the point, which is that the reason he isn't on most reasonable people's p4p list is because he is a HW. It doesn't matter that he is a big HW or has a big reach. Most people don't penalise PWill for his reach and didn't with floyd when he was at 130.

The ring has strangely included HWs in the past I believe, although some historian may well correct me on that.

carnivore ...childperson being a HW has nothing to do with it.
at least you didn't restate the idiocyy of it being because he isn't an american.
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Because he's not as skilled as the fighters on the list, his size enables him to dominate opponents with his basic boxing skills.

[#1Assassin]

When has Adamek looked like Willie Pep? certainly not against shot Golota or Estrada who is top 50 HW at best. If Arreola destroys Adamek this weekend, as I think he will, what will you have to say about him then?

he landed a good punch against a smaller man. everyone knows adamek at 175 and 200lbs is several levels above arreola in terms of class, he could still be a CW but he wants to be a HW. but doing so he will be fighting bigger guys with the risk of getting caught.

unless arreola all of a sudden learns how to fight and stops sucking, which i doubt will happen.. ill think the same of him, hes a bum with a punch and marketability. landing a good punch on a CW doesnt change that.

[Rolling Stone]

Wlad is worthy of a Top 5 spot IMO

[Pirao]

he landed a good punch against a smaller man. everyone knows adamek at 175 and 200lbs is several levels above arreola in terms of class, he could still be a CW but he wants to be a HW. but doing so he will be fighting bigger guys with the risk of getting caught.

unless arreola all of a sudden learns how to fight and stops sucking, which i doubt will happen.. ill think the same of him, hes a bum with a punch and marketability. landing a good punch on a CW doesnt change that.

So if he beats Adamek you will still give him no credit? That has a name: hater.

Wlad is worthy of a Top 5 spot IMO

Nah, I think 7-8 is about right, as of now. If he beats Povetkin and Haye (or if Haye keeps ducking him, 2 other top 10 HWs, say Solis and Boytsov for example), then I would say he's top 5.

[RockyB]

you're all missing the point, which is that the reason he isn't on most reasonable people's p4p list is because he is a HW. It doesn't matter that he is a big HW or has a big reach. Most people don't penalise PWill for his reach and didn't with floyd when he was at 130.

The ring has strangely included HWs in the past I believe, although some historian may well correct me on that.

yeah, both Tyson and Holyfield was on the list, dont know about Holyfield but Tyson was actually #1 for a while too..

[-Lowkey-]

the heavy weight division is the worst it has ever been face it.

wlad wouldn’t even be a champion if he was around in the Lewis era. and to the guys that say if he beats haye and povetkin he should be top 5 lmao haye has skill and speed but he has a glass chin and has only had 4 fights at heavyweight and povetkin is just as out of shape as the rest of the crappy division

there is no one out there for wlad to beat of the calibre that will put him on the top 10 p4p lists its not his fault. i mean even a guy like a prime frank bruno would dominate most of the so called top HW around now that’s how bad the division is.

[Squirrel]

FAO: MUG

There was only ONE legit knockdown in the Wlad/Peter fight....Wlad dominated the fight and had Peter badly hurt and out on his feet in the 12th round. If there was a 13th round Peter would've got KTFO by Wlad.

God damn you may well be the worst of the Klit-huggers, which is saying something.

[#1Assassin]

So if he beats Adamek you will still give him no credit? That has a name: hater.

what HW has adamek beat to make himself a credible oponent? i didnt say i would give arreola no credit, i will give him the credit he deserves. he beat a world class CW untested at HW and much smaller than himself, if he indeed beats him.

how impressive he looks will decide how much more credit he gets, simply finding a smaller mans chin doesnt make him sonny liston. if he doesnt look like a fat, unskilled bum i will give him credit.