Can someone explain the story or rationale of Floyd only wanting the WBC belts?

[JAB5239]

the only reason is because the wbc has been around the longest which means it has brought boxing the most dishonesty and corruption. that might be why floyd considers it offical cause it represents him perfectly.

The WBC is an offshoot of the WBA.

[riannu]

finally some real proof that mayweather is so much better than pacquiao.

So many moronic poster. Just to educate you:

WBC belt is NOT the belt.

There are several champions. One is a lineal, another is titlist. For a boxing historian, lineal champion is what matters.

Definition of terms;

lineal = the champion, the man of the division. Oh and just to clarify the ring champion is not the lineal champion, although it is usually the case.

titlist = person who gets a piece of the four sanctioning bodies belt.

Ideally, with one belt per division, the lineal is also the titlist. However with four title per divisions, it gets complicated. The WBA was the oldest organization, followed by the WBC, IBF then WBO.

How to become the lineal champion?

There are two generally accepted way. One is to beat the current lineal champion. Now the lineal champion might have a belt, or he might not have. Doesn't matter. The lineage stays with that person so long he's not defeated, vacated or dead.

There are times when there is no lineal champion because he moved up in weight, died or voluntarily vacates or retire. The second way to became the champion is to arrange a fight between the 1st, 2nd, and 3rd ranked fighters of that division. Again, it doest matter if these ranked fighters are titlist, so long as they are universally recognized the best fighters of that division. Nowadays it is also becoming acceptable that a fight between the 1st and 2nd ranked fighter determines the lineal champ.

Now lets fo back to Pacquiao's case. The reason he's a 7-div world champ is because:

1. 112 = lineal, WBC champ.
2. 122 = IBF champ
3. 126 = lineal, no sanctioning belt
4. 130 = lineal, WBC
5. 135 = WBC
6. 140 = lineal, no sanctioning belt
7. 147 = WBO

For a boxing purist, he is 4-division champ. That are the divisions where he is lineal. Coincidentally, two of these division he did not held any belt. The lineal champs he defeated, Barrera and Hatton, does not have belts.

[riannu]

the only reason is because the wbc has been around the longest which means it has brought boxing the most dishonesty and corruption. that might be why floyd considers it offical cause it represents him perfectly.

Just shows your ignorance. WBA was the original organization. The reason Floyd likes his green belt is because one time it was the most prestigious belt.

[JAB5239]

So many moronic poster. Just to educate you:

WBC belt is NOT the belt.

There are several champions. One is a lineal, another is titlist. For a boxing historian, lineal champion is what matters.

Definition of terms;

lineal = the champion, the man of the division. Oh and just to clarify the ring champion is not the lineal champion, although it is usually the case.

titlist = person who gets a piece of the four sanctioning bodies belt.

Ideally, with one belt per division, the lineal is also the titlist. However with four title per divisions, it gets complicated. The WBA was the oldest organization, followed by the WBC, IBF then WBO.

How to become the lineal champion?

There are two generally accepted way. One is to beat the current lineal champion. Now the lineal champion might have a belt, or he might not have. Doesn't matter. The lineage stays with that person so long he's not defeated, vacated or dead.

There are times when there is no lineal champion because he moved up in weight, died or voluntarily vacates or retire. The second way to became the champion is to arrange a fight between the 1st, 2nd, and 3rd ranked fighters of that division. Again, it doest matter if these ranked fighters are titlist, so long as they are universally recognized the best fighters of that division. Nowadays it is also becoming acceptable that a fight between the 1st and 2nd ranked fighter determines the lineal champ.

Now lets fo back to Pacquiao's case. The reason he's a 7-div world champ is because:

1. 112 = lineal, WBC champ.
2. 122 = IBF champ
3. 126 = lineal, no sanctioning belt
4. 130 = lineal, WBC
5. 135 = WBC
6. 140 = lineal, no sanctioning belt
7. 147 = WBO

For a boxing purist, he is 4-division champ. That are the divisions where he is lineal. Coincidentally, two of these division he did not held any belt. The lineal champs he defeated, Barrera and Hatton, does not have belts.

I think Daggum was being facetious. Just saying...

[check hook]

It's just about the WBC being the most recognised belt and organisation in the past. The WBC was really the only sanctioning body that mattered when guys like Ali etc were around.....that's why many still consider it the "official" strap.......because in the past it was. Org like the WBA, IBF have only recently garnered credibility.

[Blue Heffner]

Yes, they are. The WBC champion is the official belt.

Here's a list of Pacquiao's titles, from Boxrec. I put in bold, the WBC Official belt.

Regional & Minor Titles

* OPBF flyweight champion (1997-98)
* WBC International super bantamweight champion (1999-01)
* WBC International super featherweight title (2005-present (Nov 2007))

World Titles

* WBC flyweight champion (1997-98, lost title when he failed to make weight for title bout)
* IBF super bantamweight champion (2001-03, vacated to fight at featherweight)
* WBC Super Featherweight champion (ROBBED MARQUEZ)
* WBC Lightweight champion (VACANT PAPER-BELT - DIAZ)
* WBO Welterweight champion (CATCH-WEIGHT BELT)

As it turns out, Pacquiao is really only a 5 division champion which is what he's listed as under the British Boxing community. Considering his WBO belt is a paper-belt from Michael Jennings, his Lightweight belt from Diaz, and his super-featherweight belt a robbery, his titles are not really that impressive.

In comparison, Mayweather was the official WBC champion (never fought for a vacant paper-belt) at 130, 135, 140, 147, and 154.

Good Post....

[check hook]

Just shows your ignorance. WBA was the original organization. The reason Floyd likes his green belt is because one time it was the most prestigious belt.

that's rite..........every org used to play second fiddle (by a long way) to the WBC......not the case anymore.....but historically it was.

[daggum]

Graciano Rocchigiani almost had these clowns bankrupt. too bad he sold out and settled. he would be the greatest of all time if he made them go away forever.

[loui_ludwig]

According to the WBA website, their origin was "National Boxing Association" based in the US. Then in 1962, it changed its name to WBA.

I forgot the website but according to it, Some officials of the NBA got fed up with its organization(corruptions) and made their own, creating the WBA. Then same thing happen, some WBA officials got fed up and created WBC. Then some boxing organizers/officials, got fed up with the WBC/WBA and created the IBF. Then a bunch of somebodies got fed up again, then created the WBO. Then somebody got fed up with the WBC, WBA, IBF, and WBO, then created the IBO, IBA, WBU, and WBF. Even the NBA was recreated again.

[JAB5239]

that's rite..........every org used to play second fiddle (by a long way) to the WBC......not the case anymore.....but historically it was.

The WBC has only been around since 1963 so how could every other org be playing second fiddle historically when the WBA has been around since 1921?