Martinez-Williams II Will Not Be Next

[Calilloyd]

No one rates Roy as a JMW in anything, not ability, not speed, ANYTHING.

Comprende mijo?

Thanks for the red K. It lets me know I got the better of you in this debate and you know it.. Thanks

[Calilloyd]

LOL....I cant be arsed splitting hairs anymore. Williams was more hyped in my opinion, Martinez in yours. When you talk about hype, you usually gauge responses from boxing fans and that was the hype surrounding Williams. I honestly dont care enough about this to get "credible sources". Show yours if you wish.

In other words...you can't.

[Dirk Diggler UK]

In other words...you can't.

...be arsed. As I said, when you talk about hype, its usually gauging responses from fans. Williams was certainly more hyped on the internet than in the mainstream cos no one knew who he was.

Please show your "sources".

[Ch@mpBox@PR]

This is what is going to happend for all of you geniuses.


First of all if Pavlik doesnt agree to the rematch in 27 days, then Martinez will be in the drivers seat and he could fight whoever the **** he wants.


Now, this situation depends on other fights results. First Martinez already expresses his willingness to fight Cotto,Margarito,Williams and Pavlik.


So, I think his first Choice will be Margarito at 154, if Margo gets a license. If he doesnt get a license, then he will aim for the winner of Cotto-Foreman. If Cotto wins, Martinez fights him for the MW crown, if Foreman wins, Martinez unifies with him at 154. His 3rd option is the Paul Williams-Kermit Cintron winner. If a Cotto-Foreman doesnt get made, then he rematches Williams straight away for the MW crown.

Now, lets say that Margo gets a license and Martinez fights him. If Cotto beats yury and Paul wins, then watch arum make Cotto-Williams. If Cotto gets the crack at Martinez, then they will try to make Pavlik-Williams.

[Ch@mpBox@PR]

This is what is going to happend for all of you geniuses.


First of all if Pavlik doesnt agree to the rematch in 27 days, then Martinez will be in the drivers seat and he could fight whoever the **** he wants.


Now, this situation depends on other fights results. First Martinez already expresses his willingness to fight Cotto,Margarito,Williams and Pavlik.


So, I think his first Choice will be Margarito at 154, if Margo gets a license. If he doesnt get a license, then he will aim for the winner of Cotto-Foreman. If Cotto wins, Martinez fights him for the MW crown, if Foreman wins, Martinez unifies with him at 154. His 3rd option is the Paul Williams-Kermit Cintron winner. If a Cotto-Foreman doesnt get made, then he rematches Williams straight away for the MW crown.

Now, lets say that Margo gets a license and Martinez fights him. If Cotto beats yury and Paul wins, then watch arum make Cotto-Williams. If Cotto gets the crack at Martinez, then they will try to make Pavlik-Williams.

[Calilloyd]

...be arsed. As I said, when you talk about hype, its usually gauging responses from fans. Williams was certainly more hyped on the internet than in the mainstream cos no one knew who he was.

Please show your "sources".

Former WBC, WBO and The Ring Magazine middleweight champion Kelly “The Ghost” Pavlik relinquished his belts to WBC super welterweight titlist Sergio “Maravilla” Martinez by a resounding unanimous decision loss Saturday at Boardwalk Hall in Atlantic City, N.J.

Martinez (45-2-2, 24 KOs) badly bludgeoned Pavlik (36-2, 32 KOs) early in the bout and his extreme quickness never enabled “The Ghost” an opportunity to land a steady barrage of punches.

“I’ve never promoted anybody with this kind of athleticism before,” said Martinez’s promoter Lou DiBella, a graduate of Tufts University and Harvard Law School. “This guy is a different kind of fighter. He does some things that make me think of Roy Jones when he was young.”

Renowned HBO boxing analyst Jim Lampley echoed DiBella’s sentiments and he has often called Martinez, “The fastest junior middleweight I’ve ever seen.”

Martinez, 35, an Argentinean southpaw, is further remarkable when one takes into account the fact that he didn’t begin boxing until his early-20s.

Prior to his foray into “The Sweet Science,” Martinez pursued professional careers in bicycling and soccer.

Despite his relatively advanced age for a prizefighter, DiBella is confident that Martinez will continue to thrive as a pugilist.

“I still think he’s in his prime even though he’s in his mid-30s,” said DiBella. “He just discovered how good he is. He has a window of multiple years where he really could be a superstar.”

Speed is generally the first thing that a boxer squanders upon graying.

Therefore, it will be particularly fascinating to see how Martinez adapts and alters his style of fighting with time.

Pavlik’s decisive undoing was the second time that he has been defeated over the course of his past four battles.

At 28, Pavlik is still very young and in the prime of his athletic career.

Nevertheless, Pavlik looked extremely slow and tentative this past weekend.

To a degree, Pavlik certainly seemed cautious to jab with his twice surgically-repaired left-hand.

Pavlik employs an orthodox stance and his thunderous right-hand is dependent on the effectiveness of his jab.

Pavlik’s ability to jab is what prepares and positions him to launch his mighty right-hand.

If Pavlik’s left-hand continues to be a hindrance, he will forever struggle to establish an advantage and that will preclude him from landing his fearsome right with any legitimate force.

At this juncture, Sergio Martinez looks like a young 35-year-old man.

Conversely, Kelly Pavlik appears to be a spent 28-year-old.

Hopefully, “The Ghost” can manage to again make noise someday in the future.




Your move lol

[Dirk Diggler UK]

Former WBC, WBO and The Ring Magazine middleweight champion Kelly “The Ghost” Pavlik relinquished his belts to WBC super welterweight titlist Sergio “Maravilla” Martinez by a resounding unanimous decision loss Saturday at Boardwalk Hall in Atlantic City, N.J.

Martinez (45-2-2, 24 KOs) badly bludgeoned Pavlik (36-2, 32 KOs) early in the bout and his extreme quickness never enabled “The Ghost” an opportunity to land a steady barrage of punches.

“I’ve never promoted anybody with this kind of athleticism before,” said Martinez’s promoter Lou DiBella, a graduate of Tufts University and Harvard Law School. “This guy is a different kind of fighter. He does some things that make me think of Roy Jones when he was young.”

Renowned HBO boxing analyst Jim Lampley echoed DiBella’s sentiments and he has often called Martinez, “The fastest junior middleweight I’ve ever seen.”

Martinez, 35, an Argentinean southpaw, is further remarkable when one takes into account the fact that he didn’t begin boxing until his early-20s.

Prior to his foray into “The Sweet Science,” Martinez pursued professional careers in bicycling and soccer.

Despite his relatively advanced age for a prizefighter, DiBella is confident that Martinez will continue to thrive as a pugilist.

“I still think he’s in his prime even though he’s in his mid-30s,” said DiBella. “He just discovered how good he is. He has a window of multiple years where he really could be a superstar.”

Speed is generally the first thing that a boxer squanders upon graying.

Therefore, it will be particularly fascinating to see how Martinez adapts and alters his style of fighting with time.

Pavlik’s decisive undoing was the second time that he has been defeated over the course of his past four battles.

At 28, Pavlik is still very young and in the prime of his athletic career.

Nevertheless, Pavlik looked extremely slow and tentative this past weekend.

To a degree, Pavlik certainly seemed cautious to jab with his twice surgically-repaired left-hand.

Pavlik employs an orthodox stance and his thunderous right-hand is dependent on the effectiveness of his jab.

Pavlik’s ability to jab is what prepares and positions him to launch his mighty right-hand.

If Pavlik’s left-hand continues to be a hindrance, he will forever struggle to establish an advantage and that will preclude him from landing his fearsome right with any legitimate force.

At this juncture, Sergio Martinez looks like a young 35-year-old man.

Conversely, Kelly Pavlik appears to be a spent 28-year-old.

Hopefully, “The Ghost” can manage to again make noise someday in the future.




Your move lol

So Lou Di Bella and Jim Lampley. Two guys who are paid to promote/talk up fighters....lol gotcha.

[Dirk Diggler UK]

Oh and if you want me to top that....Max Kellerman called Paul Williams a cross between Tommy Hearns, Pernell Whitaker and Julio Cesar Chavez.

Checkmate.

[Shadows]

Oh and if you want me to top that....Max Kellerman called Paul Williams a cross between Tommy Hearns, Pernell Whitaker and Julio Cesar Chavez.

Checkmate.

He also called Bute a southpaw Tommy Hearns.

[Calilloyd]

Read my post again....slowly. Who's the liar again?
Why do you keep brininging up Mayweather-Hatton? You obviously have had a boner for me from a long time....whereas I honestly havent a clue who you are.

Originally Posted by Dirk Diggler UK
Nope in my view Martinez stood with his hands by his waist and Williams could barely hit him.....never said that was for every second of every round. But for long periods of that fight, Williams was hitting thin air. When he did land, the majority were nowhere near as clean or effective as Martinez's.



Who's lying again?