When has Arreola's really affected any of his fights.

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you're 100% right and I apologize to Pull a bit

prior to working with Hudson he and largely did his nutrition (which was really none) and training on his own.

now that he has a conditioning coach in place while the weight has still been an issue his technique and ability to delivery punches has improved more and more

in the gym for this camp you can see him slowly starting to become more athletic than prior where he would come forward and **** until they submit. He is actually using angles and footwork

but to say someone is out of shape solely based on their appearance really is confusing considering Juan Diaz NEVER looked in shape and I dare say he had the best stamina of any at 135 while he was reigning over that division

he should be around 240 for this fight

That is music to my ears...

I once called him the future of the HW division and got blasted by some reader. When he started weighing in around 250 for his fights I felt so dumb ...

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That would be pretty hard to do, seeing how it was from 2009. If I remember correctly, it was leading up to the Minto fight. He did have an excuse, but it was a bulls**t excuse.

Callling Doctor Making Up ****t you have a call at the front desk.

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you're 100% right and I apologize to Pull a bit

prior to working with Hudson he and largely did his nutrition (which was really none) and training on his own.

now that he has a conditioning coach in place while the weight has still been an issue his technique and ability to delivery punches has improved more and more

in the gym for this camp you can see him slowly starting to become more athletic than prior where he would come forward and **** until they submit. He is actually using angles and footwork

but to say someone is out of shape solely based on their appearance really is confusing considering Juan Diaz NEVER looked in shape and I dare say he had the best stamina of any at 135 while he was reigning over that division

he should be around 240 for this fight

Juan Diaz is another guy that people tend to overexaggerate about. The guys was a chubby kid as a youngster and when he boxed he got in phenomenal shape but his body just didn't look the part.

people just fail to grasp that some people no matter how hard they work will just never have a hard body.

[TheGreatA]

you're 100% right and I apologize to Pull a bit

prior to working with Hudson he and largely did his nutrition (which was really none) and training on his own.

now that he has a conditioning coach in place while the weight has still been an issue his technique and ability to delivery punches has improved more and more

in the gym for this camp you can see him slowly starting to become more athletic than prior where he would come forward and **** until they submit. He is actually using angles and footwork

but to say someone is out of shape solely based on their appearance really is confusing considering Juan Diaz NEVER looked in shape and I dare say he had the best stamina of any at 135 while he was reigning over that division

he should be around 240 for this fight

Diaz didn't look in shape yet had great stamina but I think he would have been even more of a force had he gone down to 130 lbs. There are lightweights like Ali Funeka who look more like middleweights and make Diaz look rather small in comparison. He certainly should have never gone up to 140. However that doesn't have as much to do with his shape as it does about the current practise of fighters going down to the lowest weight possible in order to have a size advantage. A lot of the time that can drain a fighter too, if they focus too much on losing weight instead of working on boxing techniques and conditioning.

Not looking "ripped" has never meant that the fighter doesn't have stamina in my mind, one of the most energetic fighters I ever saw was the seemingly out of shape Rocky Rivera who fought in the 1960's.

I agree with you Chris wasn't in "ideal" shape, and even at 240 he's not in "ideal" shape either.


But my point again is when people call him a fat slob they are being pompus ***ing asses who are just hating on the guy for the shallowist of reasons.


Like you mentioned Shannon briggs is this giant of a man with huge perfect muscles and washboard six pack infested stomech but make him throw more than 20 punches in a round and hes a weezing mess of a man who reminds me of my dad trying to work out.

By looking at him would you really think Arreola has twice the cardio that Briggs has??

It may not be ideal but it is more ideal for sure. I agree completely about Briggs, and think that in general the overly muscled fighters actually lack stamina. The bodybuilder look is not one I'd recommend a professional boxer to go for.

[Eaner0919]

Diaz didn't look in shape yet had great stamina but I think he would have been even more of a force had he gone down to 130 lbs. There are lightweights like Ali Funeka who look more like middleweights and make Diaz look rather small in comparison.

but that's a different beast altogether. Here you are using weight as an advantage or disadvantage in regard to the opponents he faces NOT for the stamina or condition Diaz was in.

if we are talking about conditioning Diaz was as in shape as he could possibly be whether at 130 or 135.

He certainly should have never gone up to 140. However that doesn't have as much to do with his shape as it does about the current practise of fighters going down to the lowest weight possible in order to have a size advantage. A lot of the time that can drain a fighter too.

you just answered your own reply

Not looking "ripped" has never meant that the fighter doesn't have stamina in my mind, one of the most energetic fighters I ever saw was the seemingly out of shape Rocky Rivera who fought in the 1960's.





It may not be ideal but it is more ideal for sure. I agree completely about Briggs, and think that in general the overly muscled fighters actually lack stamina. The bodybuilder look is not one I'd recommend a professional boxer to go for.

how is it more ideal? a boxer can indeed be in better shape and still move up in weight.

I will say this. Just going by condition alone, the Arreola of today outlasts the Arreola who weighed 229 against Wills and possibly stops that version

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but that's a different beast altogether. Here you are using weight as an advantage or disadvantage in regard to the opponents he faces NOT for the stamina or condition Diaz was in.

if we are talking about conditioning Diaz was as in shape as he could possibly be whether at 130 or 135.



you just answered your own reply



how is it more ideal? a boxer can indeed be in better shape and still move up in weight.

I will say this. Just going by condition alone, the Arreola of today outlasts the Arreola who weighed 229 against Wills and possibly stops that version

I agree with this Arreola is without a doubt a much better fighter now than he was 3 or 4 years ago.

[TheGreatA]

but that's a different beast altogether. Here you are using weight as an advantage or disadvantage in regard to the opponents he faces NOT for the stamina or condition Diaz was in.

if we are talking about conditioning Diaz was as in shape as he could possibly be whether at 130 or 135.



you just answered your own reply

I wasn't really disagreeing with what you said, just adding my own input. I think Diaz on today's standards has the frame of a 130 lber. He already has great conditioning but he doesn't have the size to compete with some of the bigger lightweights and light welterweights.

Looks do not determine your conditioning and I've stated that from the beginning.

how is it more ideal? a boxer can indeed be in better shape and still move up in weight.

I will say this. Just going by condition alone, the Arreola of today outlasts the Arreola who weighed 229 against Wills and possibly stops that version

I never said he wouldn't. However don't you think that Arreola with his current conditioning program would be better off at, say, around 240 lbs than 255 lbs? Didn't you say yourself that he's trying to go down to around 245? He's going to have more speed at that weight I think. It's not like his punching power would drop, so I don't see any negatives in him fighting at a lower weight, only positives. Thus why I feel it would be more "ideal" for him to compete at a lower weight.

[SoldierWarrior]

I don't get this topic, the whole point of boxing is to come in the best shape possible and for Arreola that is definitely at around 240-235. So he can be quick and faster, just like Solis should lose weight aswell. This isn't a dumb MMA fight where you can use your weight to advantage. You have to actually land on your opponent. I hate MMA.

[MurderDeathKill]

Directly, it hasn't. But it's common sense. The guy would inherently be a better fighter if he was in better shape.

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This isn't a dumb MMA fight where you can use your weight to advantage. You have to actually land on your opponent. I hate MMA.

What does anything you said here have to do with the topic at hand?