Paul Williams is getting no respect on this board.

[Devils Advocate]

Almost every publication has Paul Top 3-5.

One thing that hurt Williams was that loss to Quintana had he won the first time then he'd possibly be ahead of Cotto or had more drawing power to make the Cotto fight and eventhough he won the rematch it took aways some of his merit and mystique. Men who are the most feared don't have off nights against guys like quintana.

[B.U.R.N.E.R]

One thing that hurt Williams was that loss to Quintana had he won the first time then he'd possibly be ahead of Cotto or had more drawing power to make the Cotto fight and eventhough he won the rematch it took aways some of his merit and mystique. Men who are the most feared don't have off nights against guys like quintana.

Not really IMO. That lost made him look vulnerable and he still couldnt get fights. He is the most feared fighter in the sport IMO because no one wants to fight him. Most people forget that the Quintana fight was a last minute replacement and the guy he was suppose to fight pulled out...........Cintron.

[Iceta Lives]

I don't know why people beat the drums for Chad Dawson who comes into his fights as big as a Cruiserweight to go from Lightheavyweight to 168, but at the same time **** on Paul Williams (Spray Resistant, you know I'm referring to you and a few others) for fighting at a lower division because the fighters there are better and more marketable.

Does anyone think Felix Sturm could beat Kirkland, Angulo, Cintron, or Paul Williams himself? I don't. The Middleweight division sucks right now and there are no fighters there that HBO would pay for Williams to fight.

And yet people keep saying that Williams is too big to be fighting at 154 or even 147. This is what Burner means by saying that the guy gets too much flack from some people.

[B.U.R.N.E.R]

I don't know why people beat the drums for Chad Dawson who comes into his fights as big as a Cruiserweight to go from Lightheavyweight to 168, but at the same time **** on Paul Williams (Spray Resistant, you know I'm referring to you and a few others) for fighting at a lower division because the fighters there are better and more marketable.

Does anyone think Felix Sturm could beat Kirkland, Angulo, Cintron, or Paul Williams himself? I don't. The Middleweight division sucks right now and there are no fighters there that HBO would pay for Williams to fight.

And yet people keep saying that Williams is too big to be fighting at 154 or even 147. This is what Burner means by saying that the guy gets too much flack from some people.

Good points. I cant understand why a guy who just weighed 152 Pounds for a 154 Pound fight should be at 168 and 175.

[Calilloyd]

the problem with williams for me is just who has fought and also how he performs in some of them

his best win for me was probably margarito but he still nearly lost it if margarito hadn't of given up so many early rounds

he was outboxe

by quintana in the first fight devastated him in the second fight i give him that nuff said

but the best he has looked is against guys like winky who are terrible style match ups for him

martinez was anyone's guess as to who won

he has yet to beat a real top fighter in a dominant fashion

he is still a heck of a fighter though he has a chance of beating anyone from 147-160

he has shown that he can be outboxed though his heart gets him through though so he's dangerous

hence why no one wants to fight him

Margarito lost those rounds because Paul Williams won them. Margarito didn't "give them up" by choice. You've done a nice job discrediting Paul Williams in every way possible. Proving the TS point.

[Njord777]

I think any reasonable person can agree that Paul William's Pound for Pound stock, though, depends on him winning fights against solid fringe contenders like Cintron big. If he doesn't win tonight I don't think anyone should argue about him being in top 5 p4p anymore.

[Iceta Lives]

I think any reasonable person can agree that Paul William's Pound for Pound stock, though, depends on him winning fights against solid fringe contenders like Cintron big. If he doesn't win tonight I don't think anyone should argue about him being in top 5 p4p anymore.

That's just stating the obvious.

[Njord777]

That's just stating the obvious.

I guess I feel, as obvious as it is, it makes all arguments about his position until AFTER the fight a little pointless.

Maybe I just feel that way because I'm never truly sure Paul is going to get past a guy like Cintron.

I like him, I enjoy watching him, but I'm not sure where I rank him. I have a few questions.

I mean, if pressed, I'd say Williams TKO 9, but I have no confidence in that pick.

[B.U.R.N.E.R]

Thanks Kermit.

[B.U.R.N.E.R]

Thanks Kermit.

Well turns out Cintron really did quit.

The Legend of The Punisher continues.