Top 10 P4P Today

[mathed]

Originally Posted by mathed View Post
So why do say Cotto should be ranked over Mosley since he beat him?

Considering.

Mosley was found out to be a cheater, that win has no meaning.

This is too easy.

When was Mosely accused of Steroids or whatever it was? Wasn't it 2003 when he had to testify, what exactly did that have to do with the Cotto fight? Which Mosely lost.

So the fight shouldn't count, because 1 guy supposedly used drugs 7 years ago, and lost the fight with Cotto?

Yeah, it is too easy. Apparently so easy you can't see how a win using plaster inserts shouldn't be counted.

Dunno, that is not my post...I think it was no ceilings or the guy he was in a convo with, someone is trying some funny stuff

[Stromprophet]

How do we know Shane wasnt doped his whole career?

You missing my point. That poster doesnt understand how Mosley is ranked higher then Cotto since Cotto beat him.

Jim was saying the Marg. win against Cotto can't count in the lineal reasoning:

Cotto beat Mosely, 2007
Marg beat Cotto, 2008
Mosely beat Marg 2009


As you said:

You have to be kidding me?

Cotto beat Mosley in 2007.

Marg beat Cotto in 2008.

Mosley beat Marg in 2009.

You dont get how Mosley is ranked over Cotto. Like are you being serious right now?

To which he said:

Marg was found out to be a cheater, that win has no meaning.

Then he says Pauls win vs. Marg doesnt count because Marg is a cheater. Umm shouldnt Paul get more credit if Marg was plasterd up and Paul still beat him? I dont get how it doesnt count.

Where did he say this? I didn't see it.

My point is, saying Shane is a cheater (and lost to Cotto) is not the same as saying Marg is a cheater (and beat Cotto). In terms of rating one another, Cotto simply isn't in my top 10 because of time and wins. Shane has a more recent more impressive win, Cotto has a more recent loss. I wouldn't put my reasoning as lineal, as you did. X beat Y and Y beat Z.

Point of fact in the Marg. v. Paul Williams fight, from my view Williams lost the last 6 rounds straight. So the cheating had some impact most likely. Williams is fortunate in his style is very different from Cottos, Williams is a distance combination fighter on the outside, Cotto is a power inside puncher. Ergo Williams didn't suffer as much damage as Cotto did.

[mathed]

Well, I gave my list. Vitali isn't on it, maybe an honorable mention, but he was retired too long, hasn't fought enough.

Wladimir is because he came back from being KOd to become the dominate Heavyweight not only against legit competition, but also besting one of the men who knocked him out cold, with his own KO (technically his trainer stopped the fight, but that was mercy)

Not only that, but he does what heavy weights should do, KO people.

He deserves it just out of top consistent competition, winning, and being impressive. I didn't put him at the top of the list, because obviously there's simply more talent at the lower weight classes.

I agree that both should be 1 and 2 in the HW list but I can't imagine them fighting anyone besides another HW. Talent-wise, they are both good and they could likely beat some of the other guys on the P4P lists skill wise but they are just so massive that I can't help but consider them in a class of their own

[Stromprophet]

Originally Posted by
Dunno, that is not my post...I think it was no ceilings or the guy he was in a convo with, someone is trying some funny stuff

He put what was said in Italics, don't know when it's not in a quote box.

[Steelhammer2011]

Fighters who should be in the Top 10 P4P:

Wladimir Klitschko - Dominant IBF/WBO/IBO/RING Unified Heavyweight Champion of the World

Vitali Klitschko - Dominant WBC Heavyweight Champion of the World

Lucian Bute - best super middleweight in the world

Sergio Martinez - best middleweight in the world

Tomasz Adamek - World Champion in 2 weight classes (light heavyweight and cruiserweight). Now a top HW contender. Huge fight coming up this weekend vs the dangerous hard punching Arreola.

[The Hammer]

Fighters who should be in the Top 10 P4P:

Wladimir Klitschko - Dominant IBF/WBO/IBO/RING Unified Heavyweight Champion of the World.

Vitali Klitschko - Dominant WBC Heavyweight Champion of the World

Lucian Bute - best super middleweight in the world

Sergio Martinez - best middleweight in the world

Most definitely.

And we both know why the racists at the Ring won't allow them in the top 10 p4p.

[F l i c k e r]

Hozumi should be on there. If Donaire is on there, then why can't Hozumi when he has held a title longer and had more defenses than Donaire?

Makes no sense. Caballero shouldn't be top 10 either. Not yet. Specially if Hozumi isn't on there.

[Chunk..]

Fighters who should be in the Top 10 P4P:

Wladimir Klitschko - Dominant IBF/WBO/IBO/RING Unified Heavyweight Champion of the World.

Vitali Klitschko - Dominant WBC Heavyweight Champion of the World

Lucian Bute - best super middleweight in the world

Sergio Martinez - best middleweight in the world

Who has Bute beat?

Carl Froch is the best Super middleweight in the world based off his wins at 168.

[Stromprophet]

I agree that both should be 1 and 2 in the HW list but I can't imagine them fighting anyone besides another HW. Talent-wise, they are both good and they could likely beat some of the other guys on the P4P lists skill wise but they are just so massive that I can't help but consider them in a class of their own

I can see that.

But when Ali was a HW, he was P4P. And so was Tyson. You could make arguments for Lewis, Holyfield, etc.

Sure, the HW division has become less competitive. I don't think it should be in its own category, it's just where the money is in boxing. The advent of ODLH the ridiculous money making machine shifted the balance permanently to the lower divisions, something even Sugar Ray Leonard didn't accomplish.

I mean, the Golden Boys draw is what gave birth to the Floyd Mayweathers, Manny Paqcuiaos, The rise of Shane Mosely, and on and on. Those guys wouldn't have had the chance to become mega earners, wouldn't have been as driven without the Golden Boy star, etc, etc.

Until another unique fighter comes along in the upper divisions, the concentration will probably remain in the lower divisions. Particularly with Manny and Mayweathers activity there.

[Rolling Stone]

Most definitely.

And we both know why the racists at the Ring won't allow them in the top 10 p4p.

i must agree with Wlad and Sergio and possibly Bute..............

but Wlad and Sergio should be in the ****ing Top 10.....Wlad has been dominating the heavyweights for years and Sergio is the Undisputed Middleweight Champ and WBC JMW Champ....