My New Top 10 P4P - Thoughts!!!

[Michael Hall]

1. Manny Pacquiao
2. Floyd Mayweather
3. Shane Mosley
4. Paul Williams
5. Sergio Martinez
6. JMM
7. Bernard Hopkins
8. Miguel Cotto
9. Andre Ward
10. Andre Dirrel

[S.G.]

It's a transition period for boxing right now, with the great old guys with one foot out the door and the new talent starting to step up to the plate. And that means it's quite difficult to put together pound-for-pound lists. Personally I'm of the "what have you done for me lately" school of thought in regards to P4P ratings so I'd place the guys who are out there actively making a name for themselves such as Martinez, Dirrell, Ward, Dawson, Hasegawa ahead of the guys who seem to be approaching the end of their dominance such as Hopkins, Marquez, Vazquez, R. Marquez, Cotto and potentially Mosley after May 1st. We only really have Mayweather, Pacquiao and Mosley (and Wlad?) who have a long great career behind them and the means to continue adding more and more credit to their resumes.

If anyone's interested, this is what my revised pound-for-pound top 10 looks like:

#01: Pacquiao
(needs no explanation)
#02: Mayweather Jnr.
(could potentially regain top spot if he looks great against Mosley)
#03: Mosley
(future hall of famer coming off the back of a fantastic win over Margarito; Shane is the rightful welterweight king until proven otherwise)
#04: Williams
(coming off the back of a close win over rising pound-for-pound star Martinez and it's difficult to pick anyone at welter, junior middle or middleweight to beat him in a head to head right now)
#05: Dawson
(he has the ability and while his run of form isn't the most impressive considering his opposition's respective ages you can't really argue with a man who's cleaning up his division)
#06: Martinez
(you can't reasonably place him too far from Williams who he took all the way to a disputed decision (I personally thought Williams deserved the nod though) and he's since claimed middleweight sovereignty by beating former lineal champ Kelly Pavlik)
#07: Hasegawa
(one of the most gifted fighters in the game and has racked up a very impressive run of title defenses against top rated competition. Although most of his wins since Sahaprom have lacked name value he's looking to make up for that by facing Montiel in what could turn out the be fight of the year)
#08: Wonjongkam
(the future hall of famer picked up a very impressive win against rising Japanese star Koki Kameda)
#09: Ward
(highly skilled prospect begun his path to boxing superstardom with a dominant win over former super six favourite Mikkel Kessler)
#10: Dirrell
(unfortunate victim of corrupt or just plain incompetent judging against super-middleweight-on-a-run Carl Froch and then beat the human wrecking ball Arthur Abraham in a one sided affair)

[Shadows]

It's a transition period for boxing right now, with the great old guys with one foot out the door and the new talent starting to step up to the plate. And that means it's quite difficult to put together pound-for-pound lists. Personally I'm of the "what have you done for me lately" school of thought in regards to P4P ratings so I'd place the guys who are out there actively making a name for themselves such as Martinez, Dirrell, Ward, Dawson, Hasegawa ahead of the guys who seem to be approaching the end of their dominance such as Hopkins, Marquez, Vazquez, R. Marquez, Cotto and potentially Mosley after May 1st. We only really have Mayweather, Pacquiao and Mosley (and Wlad?) who have a long great career behind them and the means to continue adding more and more credit to their resumes.

If anyone's interested, this is what my revised pound-for-pound top 10 looks like:

#01: Pacquiao
(needs no explanation)
#02: Mayweather Jnr.
(could potentially regain top spot if he looks great against Mosley)
#03: Mosley
(future hall of famer coming off the back of a fantastic win over Margarito; Shane is the rightful welterweight king until proven otherwise)
#04: Williams
(coming off the back of a close win over rising pound-for-pound star Martinez and it's difficult to pick anyone at welter, junior middle or middleweight to beat him in a head to head right now)
#05: Dawson
(he has the ability and while his run of form isn't the most impressive considering his opposition's respective ages you can't really argue with a man who's cleaning up his division)
#06: Martinez
(you can't reasonably place him too far from Williams who he took all the way to a disputed decision (I personally thought Williams deserved the nod though) and he's since claimed middleweight sovereignty by beating former lineal champ Kelly Pavlik)
#07: Hasegawa
(one of the most gifted fighters in the game and has racked up a very impressive run of title defenses against top rated competition. Although most of his wins since Sahaprom have lacked name value he's looking to make up for that by facing Montiel in what could turn out the be fight of the year)
#08: Wonjongkam
(the future hall of famer picked up a very impressive win against rising Japanese star Koki Kameda)
#09: Ward
(highly skilled prospect begun his path to boxing superstardom with a dominant win over former super six favourite Mikkel Kessler)
#10: Dirrell
(unfortunate victim of corrupt or just plain incompetent judging against super-middleweight-on-a-run Carl Froch and then beat the human wrecking ball Arthur Abraham in a one sided affair)

I think you make a great point to start off with. This is definitely a transition period with the old making way for the new. However, since there aren't several young fighters on a really good 2-3 fight win streak, the new guys are going to vary from list to list.

[S.G.]

I think you make a great point to start off with. This is definitely a transition period with the old making way for the new. However, since there aren't several young fighters on a really good 2-3 fight win streak, the new guys are going to vary from list to list.

Yeah exactly. They are still budding in most cases so we haven't completely figured out who is 100% the real deal. It's kind of weird how cyclic it is, what with the new only really sprouting as the old start to wither.

And FTR I have to admit my overlooking of Bradley wasn't intentional; he probably deserves a spot in there. Marquez, I'm undecided for now, but I don't think I'd favour him over the guys I listed in hypothetic match-ups - plus his loss to Floyd was pretty damn decisive.

[B.U.R.N.E.R]

It's a transition period for boxing right now, with the great old guys with one foot out the door and the new talent starting to step up to the plate. And that means it's quite difficult to put together pound-for-pound lists. Personally I'm of the "what have you done for me lately" school of thought in regards to P4P ratings so I'd place the guys who are out there actively making a name for themselves such as Martinez, Dirrell, Ward, Dawson, Hasegawa ahead of the guys who seem to be approaching the end of their dominance such as Hopkins, Marquez, Vazquez, R. Marquez, Cotto and potentially Mosley after May 1st. We only really have Mayweather, Pacquiao and Mosley (and Wlad?) who have a long great career behind them and the means to continue adding more and more credit to their resumes.

If anyone's interested, this is what my revised pound-for-pound top 10 looks like:

#01: Pacquiao
(needs no explanation)
#02: Mayweather Jnr.
(could potentially regain top spot if he looks great against Mosley)
#03: Mosley
(future hall of famer coming off the back of a fantastic win over Margarito; Shane is the rightful welterweight king until proven otherwise)
#04: Williams
(coming off the back of a close win over rising pound-for-pound star Martinez and it's difficult to pick anyone at welter, junior middle or middleweight to beat him in a head to head right now)
#05: Dawson
(he has the ability and while his run of form isn't the most impressive considering his opposition's respective ages you can't really argue with a man who's cleaning up his division)
#06: Martinez
(you can't reasonably place him too far from Williams who he took all the way to a disputed decision (I personally thought Williams deserved the nod though) and he's since claimed middleweight sovereignty by beating former lineal champ Kelly Pavlik)
#07: Hasegawa
(one of the most gifted fighters in the game and has racked up a very impressive run of title defenses against top rated competition. Although most of his wins since Sahaprom have lacked name value he's looking to make up for that by facing Montiel in what could turn out the be fight of the year)
#08: Wonjongkam
(the future hall of famer picked up a very impressive win against rising Japanese star Koki Kameda)
#09: Ward
(highly skilled prospect begun his path to boxing superstardom with a dominant win over former super six favourite Mikkel Kessler)
#10: Dirrell
(unfortunate victim of corrupt or just plain incompetent judging against super-middleweight-on-a-run Carl Froch and then beat the human wrecking ball Arthur Abraham in a one sided affair)

Thats basically perfect. Cant argue with that too much.

[Dirk Diggler UK]

Thats basically perfect. Cant argue with that too much.

No answer huh

[B.U.R.N.E.R]

No answer huh

The hell? You didnt make that post. Shadows did.

[Dirk Diggler UK]

The hell? You didnt make that post. Shadows did.

To my last post.

[jrosales13]

Yeah exactly. They are still budding in most cases so we haven't completely figured out who is 100% the real deal. It's kind of weird how cyclic it is, what with the new only really sprouting as the old start to wither.

And FTR I have to admit my overlooking of Bradley wasn't intentional; he probably deserves a spot in there. Marquez, I'm undecided for now, but I don't think I'd favour him over the guys I listed in hypothetic match-ups - plus his loss to Floyd was pretty damn decisive.

So you punishing him a little bit for a fighting at a weight-class he didn't belong in?

[Shadows]

Yeah exactly. They are still budding in most cases so we haven't completely figured out who is 100% the real deal. It's kind of weird how cyclic it is, what with the new only really sprouting as the old start to wither.

And FTR I have to admit my overlooking of Bradley wasn't intentional; he probably deserves a spot in there. Marquez, I'm undecided for now, but I don't think I'd favour him over the guys I listed in hypothetic match-ups - plus his loss to Floyd was pretty damn decisive.

Yeah, if I think I would put Bradley there as well. I'm also a fan of Calderon and feel that despite showing his age in his past few performances, he's worthy of a #8-#10 spot.

The one I'm a bit hesitant on is Hozumi Hasegawa. Don't get me wrong, I enjoy watching him fight and have a lot of his fights. And while he's on a pretty damn good run at the moment, he's been getting knockouts over decent competition. The last top bantamweight he fought was the 2005 version of Veeraphol Sahaprom, who had started to show his age (it was a great victory though, when you consider the circumstances going into the fight). He hasn't beaten elite bantamweights like Moreno, Perez, Cermeno, Agbeko, etc. IMO, he's right on the cusp and a win over Montiel could get him in there.

That's just my two cents, please don't take this as bashing your list.