Hbo overpaid for berto-quintana!!!

Collapse
Collapse
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts
  • -DSG-
    Undisputed Champion
    Unified Champion - 10,00-20,000 posts
    • Nov 2009
    • 10949
    • 1,003
    • 99
    • 25,679

    #1

    Hbo overpaid for berto-quintana!!!

    think it stands to reason that for a fighter to be a star, people have to want to pay to see him fight. Oscar De La Hoya was a star because people gobbled up tickets to his fights and bought pay-per-view by the millions. Manny Pacquiao and Floyd Mayweather do the same thing now.



    When fights aren't on pay-per-view and a network buys a card, I've always felt that what the network pays in a rights fee should have at least some remote correlation to how popular the headline fighter is as a gate attraction. In other words, when HBO would pay a couple of million bucks or so to televise a card headlined by, for example, Miguel Cotto or Jermain Taylor, those fighters also routinely generated seven figures in ticket sales when they fought. So the license fees didn't seem out of whack.



    I am well-versed in the boxing business and understand that television money rules, and that the gate will never be its equal, at least in most cases. I don't expect it to be, but sometimes the disparity is simply shocking and really makes you question the spending habits of the networks.



    Take, for example, last Saturday's fine HBO doubleheader, which featured Florida's own Andre Berto defending his welterweight title in the main event against Carlos Quintana with Celestino Caballero facing Daud Yordan in an interesting featherweight co-feature at the BankAtlantic Center in Sunrise, Fla.



    Here's the problem: Berto, as terrific a young man and fighter as he is, has not yet established himself as a gate attraction and the amount of money generated in ticket sales was less than 5 percent of what HBO paid for the card.



    Let me repeat that: less than 5 freakin' percent.



    That blew me away.



    HBO paid $2.15 million for the doubleheader, according to the official (and public) report from the Florida State Boxing Commission. The figure is on the report because the promoter must disclose the license fee in order to pay the state television tax.



    Also on the report is a detailed breakdown of the ticket sales. Despite a lot of hard work from promoter Lou DiBella and his staff, the card sold a mere 972 tickets. You read that right -- 972 tickets to a fight with reasonably priced tickets (as low as $35) in an NHL arena that probably seats around 18,000. That translated into a gate of just $105,759.52 (with an additional 2,536 tickets given away, according to the report).



    That tells me that HBO radically overpaid for the card. If not even 1,000 people will buy a ticket to the show, why should the network blow millions to air it, especially when the television ratings are nothing extraordinary.



    Believe me, I am not picking on Berto. He has what it takes to be a star eventually, especially with his power and friendly and outgoing personality. This card is just the latest example, glaring as it is, of a fighter who is paid big bucks thanks to a network -- Berto made more than $1 million -- but hasn't yet developed into a draw.



    There have been similar situations with numerous others, including some of today's top pound-for-pound fighters, such as Chad Dawson and Paul Williams. They've gotten big HBO money before developing big fan followings.



    HBO threw untold millions at Mayweather for years. He eventually did develop into a draw. Maybe Berto and the others will also eventually become draws. But building stars takes time, no matter how much money a network throws at them.
  • -DSG-
    Undisputed Champion
    Unified Champion - 10,00-20,000 posts
    • Nov 2009
    • 10949
    • 1,003
    • 99
    • 25,679

    #2
    http://espn.go.com/sports/boxing/blo...-make-big-star

    Comment

    • SoldierWarrior
      Undisputed Champion
      Platinum Champion - 1,000-5,000 posts
      • Mar 2010
      • 3804
      • 86
      • 113
      • 10,191

      #3
      What does this mean? Is HBO not going to want Berto in the future? I don't get all this information, plus I'm too lazy to read it all.

      Comment

      • sigrab
        gravity sucks
        Platinum Champion - 1,000-5,000 posts
        • Nov 2006
        • 2640
        • 688
        • 524
        • 14,336

        #4
        Originally posted by SoldierWarrior
        What does this mean? Is HBO not going to want Berto in the future? I don't get all this information, plus I'm too lazy to read it all.
        It simply means that NJ drivers are terrible.

        You liked that didn't you?

        Comment

        • etlux
          Undisputed Champion
          Platinum Champion - 1,000-5,000 posts
          • Dec 2009
          • 3798
          • 238
          • 142
          • 10,036

          #5
          wow hmm...could this really be true? Only 1000 people bought tickets for it? I mean I sort of believe it because even merchant was clowning on the crowd saying "I've seen a bigger audience in Pacman's dressing room."

          but damn...if anything you might want to think of this as an investment though..in Berto. Remember all investments cost money in hte beginning but HBO perhaps is giving Berto the spotlight and exposure and hoping it pays off in the end, and later on it may pay off big and HBO will make back a lot more money...get me?

          Comment

          • AddiX
            Undisputed Champion
            Super Champion - 5,000-10,000 posts
            • Dec 2009
            • 7865
            • 416
            • 45
            • 30,565

            #6
            Yeah the prices HBO and Showtime have to pay are crazy, especially for guys like Berto or anyone for that matter who can't sell ****. Ticket Sales were so bad I heard they started doing 2 for 1 deals. That is really pathetic.

            And the other thing is that once promoters get the license fee from HBO, they don't promote ****, they don't even care about ticket sales because they are already making bank off just the license fee.

            HBO really needs to man up with these promoters. Mother ****ing Chad Dawson got like 2 mill for his rematch with Tarver, wtf?

            I understand that fighters and promoters deserve the money, but if these guys don't learn to build their fighters like Top Rank does than why the hell should hbo be investing money to build them?

            The business of boxing has so much greed it will never get away from the bs like this.

            Comment

            • SoldierWarrior
              Undisputed Champion
              Platinum Champion - 1,000-5,000 posts
              • Mar 2010
              • 3804
              • 86
              • 113
              • 10,191

              #7
              HBO and Showtime do not have to buy these cards if they don't think they'll sell well. They could have just let espn try buying these cards. Or they can try a Dawson/Berto PPV, lets see how well that will sell.

              Comment

              • AddiX
                Undisputed Champion
                Super Champion - 5,000-10,000 posts
                • Dec 2009
                • 7865
                • 416
                • 45
                • 30,565

                #8
                Danny Jacobs is the perfect example of how the boxing game works.

                The kid is from NY, won Golden Gloves in NY and was really known in the NY boxing scene.

                So he goes pro after not making an Olympic bid. I don't think the mother ****er has fought once in NY. WHy? Because his management isnt even trying to build him as a ticket seller in NY. All they want is that HBO money.

                Al Haymon is his manager. All he does is leverage his talent pool to get other guys fights. The idea is to basically force HBO to put Jacobs on their cards.

                But seriously, I was a huge fan of the kid, but I don't give two ****s about watching him until he fights a serious threat. And by that time, NY has already forgot about him. He can't come back here and be a ticket seller, nor can he be one anywhere else.

                I don't think the kid can sell a thousand tickets anywhere and that's sad. Because hes from NY.

                When you look at guys like Adamek, Pacman, JuanMa, Cotto, Most european fighters, and even some bums who sell tickets, it's because their promoters built them that way.

                Comment

                • Siggy
                  Undisputed Champion
                  Platinum Champion - 1,000-5,000 posts
                  • Jan 2010
                  • 2973
                  • 66
                  • 3
                  • 9,229

                  #9
                  HBO needs to chill with backing berto.
                  theyre better off trying to introduce and push fighters like saul alvarez, mikey garcia and mike alvarado...if you know what i mean.

                  Comment

                  • B.U.R.N.E.R
                    ~NSB Legend 2005-2015~
                    Franchise Champion - 20,000+ posts
                    • Feb 2010
                    • 30197
                    • 1,346
                    • 400
                    • 47,475

                    #10
                    Berto is a good young fighter. Hes doing fine. The kid just scored an immpressive KO goodness.

                    Comment

                    Working...
                    TOP