as a brit, david haye is giving brit fighters a bad name

[Black-ops]

hope vlad vs haye gets made .can't see haye winnin though

[stellen]

Who the hell have the clits fought in recent years? And who the hell has vlad EVER fought?

[maverock]

And who the hell has vlad EVER fought?

All the top ranked contenders that had the balls to get in the ring with him.

[hammerhiem]

If the Haye haters haven't worked out why he never fought the K brothers last year by now, they really need to take a trip on the special bus.

One word.

Setanta.

[PensionKiller]

do you admit vitali better than lennox lewis considering lewis was down 4-2 on all 3 score cards...

I'm a Vitali fan dumbass.

I feel that he had a great fight, and a rematch would have been a great fight.

However I feel Lewis would have won a rematch if he actually was motivated. Vitali was too easy to hit, but a real beast non the less.

It wouldn't be easy since Lewis was out of prime.

No I really do not rate Haye's Cruiserweight Victories all that highly. I give him credit for the Mormeck win but none for the Enzo win and I thought he had a very rough time with Fragomeni who has since lost to LHW Champion Erdei.

I do feel that Froch lost to Dirrell but not as clearly as some people do. Ultimately I blame Andre for not doing enough and I can live with that result.

Pascal, Taylor, Dirrell, Kessler represents a very tough stretch of fights that puts any 4 fight stretch in Haye's career to shame. For the record Haye has actually taken 25 months to fight 4 times against tailor made comp. Froch did his 4 most recent fights in 16 months.

Also, last time I checked Froch had never been stopped in embarrassing fashion like David Haye was against Carl Thompson.

I would much rather support Froch than Haye. Froch fights like a hardass and he will go out like a warrior everytime.

Haye has very little durability and will likely find a soft place to fall against Klitschko and embarrass the people who support him.

I respect that. You always give me a good answer my man.

For me I see Taylor done. I give Forch credit for coming back after being dropped, like haye was for mormeck. Fought outside their home towns and won.

Haye got stopped, but on his legs. He was ****** but that fight was still very good to watch. His 10th fight vs a vet was a abd idea. Now he's gone more conservative like Wlad. Both are more careful

I don't agree that Pascal, Taylor and Dirrell and kessler are much more tougher than what haye has done.

Ruiz is old, but a tough fighter, valuev is just difficult because he is so huge, barrett was kind of easy yes, but a step up to HW so still an unknown because he had to adjust to the weight, and I think it was Enzo, not a great fighter but still had some ****.

I'm a kessler fan, very good fighter and a warm heart, but he has 2 losses. Let's say he's on enzo's level now.

Pascal may be lhw champ, but i never see him as a great fighter. he's s brawler type boxer, and played into froch like ruiz played into haye. I'd put these two together. Ruiz is still a good solid fighter, but didn't show anything that was gonna make him win, like pascal

Taylor for me was done, he lsot at 160 to pavlik twice. otu boxed and also KO'd. Taylor showed vs AA that he was just not there anymore. Let's say Barrett (Although prime taylor is obviosuly much better)

Dirrell and valuev can be compared for me in the sense.
Dirrell has a style that will always beat a slow mover and open guy like froch. Valuev is just huge and had a lot of height and weight vs haye. Ofcourse that will be difficult.


Remember Kessler and Froch hasn't happened, and Froch for me will lose it. I also feel froch lost to dirrell already. That's boxing and home town decisions happen.

Don't get me wrong, Froch has balls and does fight the ebst, but also let's not forget that he is getting apid good money and didn't earn much before. If Haye can get good money, he will surely fight some bigger names, but he's builkding up his name because he isn't that famous like prince naz or lennox lewis.

[Clegg]

Taylor=Monte Barrett
Kessler=Enzo Maccarinelli
Dirrell=Valuev

You can't seriously believe this.

If Jermain Taylor got knocked out in his next 10 fights, he'd still be able to beat someone of Cliff Couser's quality. Couser has a 26-21 record and Barrett is the only win he has in his past 12 fights.

If Kessler did the same, he'd still be able to beat someone of Lee Swaby's quality. Swaby had a 7-9 record when he knocked out Maccarinelli.

The difference in skill and talent between Dirrell and Valuev is incredible. Yeah, Valuev is big, but you are comparing a guy who got schooled by a much smaller, shot old man in his previous fight to a guy who dominated Arthur Abraham.

[Rosseboi]

Who the hell have the clits fought in recent years? And who the hell has vlad EVER fought?

No disrespect friend but when you can spell his name right then we can take you serious mate.

[PensionKiller]

You can't seriously believe this.

If Jermain Taylor got knocked out in his next 10 fights, he'd still be able to beat someone of Cliff Couser's quality. Couser has a 26-21 record and Barrett is the only win he has in his past 12 fights.

If Kessler did the same, he'd still be able to beat someone of Lee Swaby's quality. Swaby had a 7-9 record when he knocked out Maccarinelli.

The difference in skill and talent between Dirrell and Valuev is incredible. Yeah, Valuev is big, but you are comparing a guy who got schooled by a much smaller, shot old man in his previous fight to a guy who dominated Arthur Abraham.

I'm not saying they are the same in style

The dirrel that fought froch was still green and actually won in my eyes. It's clear he worked on what he did wrong and is a better fighter.

Vaulev isn;t as skilled, but weiging 100lbs heavier and nearly a foot taller, it's not exactly even terms.



The taylor that fought froch was done. anyone who can't fight 12 rounds is no longer a top class fighter. he was done vs pavlik twice and lost to aa worse. well pavlik ko'd even faster.

OK berrett isn't a great hw at all, he's more a bum, but haye basically went up to hw for the first time and ofcourse that factors into it. (bonin wasn't a proper one realy)

Enzo at that point was atleast winning. People may think taylor has somethiung left, but honestly he had some gift decisons and clsoe fights with hopkins and spinks ffs. Enzo lost after haye btw

dirrell schooled aa, but he was still green and amde plenty of mistakes vs froch.

You can't judge hw and compare vs other weights as easily. one, the fact that there's no limit iun size and weight makes a huge difference, and the other, well these days they are slow etc...

but again, taylor is shot to bits. evidence in his losses

dirrell actually won in 905 of peopels eyes. rabbitting your way to a home decision is not a win, no matter how ***** the other guy fought

[musiol]

hey white boi messi scored 4 past your team(arsenal), and bendtner scored for arsenal. robben scored against manunited, and phil mickleson won the us masters...and schooled woods. Must have been a crap week for you...

eh when mickeleson took a month out to look after his wife he came back and was dire,woods was out for over 5 months and comes back and finishes 4th in a major so what was your point dip**** and am white as****k

[Clegg]

I'm not saying they are the same in style

The dirrel that fought froch was still green and actually won in my eyes. It's clear he worked on what he did wrong and is a better fighter.

Vaulev isn;t as skilled, but weiging 100lbs heavier and nearly a foot taller, it's not exactly even terms.

I'm not comparing styles, I'm comparing quality and results.

Valuev is big, but he did better against Haye than against Holyfield in the eyes of most people, and Holyfield is much smaller than Valuev as well, so the 'Valuev was big' argument isn't worth much.

Valuev was terrible against a shot Holyfield, Dirrell looked great against Abraham. The size difference doesn't matter because even being far bigger than his opponents, Valuev's results and performances are clearly a level below Dirrell's.

The taylor that fought froch was done. anyone who can't fight 12 rounds is no longer a top class fighter. he was done vs pavlik twice and lost to aa worse. well pavlik ko'd even faster.

OK berrett isn't a great hw at all, he's more a bum, but haye basically went up to hw for the first time and ofcourse that factors into it. (bonin wasn't a proper one realy)

Enzo at that point was atleast winning. People may think taylor has somethiung left, but honestly he had some gift decisons and clsoe fights with hopkins and spinks ffs.

I don't think Taylor was 'done' or shot. His movement, technique, speed, timing etc. were all as good as ever. Yeah, his stamina was bad, but it was bad when he beat Bernard Hopkins. BHop did very little for the first 8 rounds, and yet JT was clearly tired late on, so I don't see him fading against Froch as being indicative of major decline.

dirrell schooled aa, but he was still green and amde plenty of mistakes vs froch.

You can't judge hw and compare vs other weights as easily. one, the fact that there's no limit iun size and weight makes a huge difference, and the other, well these days they are slow etc...

You made the comparisons, then when I point out why I disagree you say that it's difficult to compare heavys and SMWs.