as a brit, david haye is giving brit fighters a bad name

[PensionKiller]

I'm not comparing styles, I'm comparing quality and results.

Valuev is big, but he did better against Haye than against Holyfield in the eyes of most people, and Holyfield is much smaller than Valuev as well, so the 'Valuev was big' argument isn't worth much.

Valuev was terrible against a shot Holyfield, Dirrell looked great against Abraham. The size difference doesn't matter because even being far bigger than his opponents, Valuev's results and performances are clearly a level below Dirrell's.



I don't think Taylor was 'done' or shot. His movement, technique, speed, timing etc. were all as good as ever. Yeah, his stamina was bad, but it was bad when he beat Bernard Hopkins. BHop did very little for the first 8 rounds, and yet JT was clearly tired late on, so I don't see him fading against Froch as being indicative of major decline.



You made the comparisons, then when I point out why I disagree you say that it's difficult to compare heavys and SMWs.

Sorry but Holyfield did win in my eyes, but also he did very badly. they both threw very ltitle, but haye got hit less, infact hardly at all. Haye saw the robberry in my eyes and thus fought carefully. You can't lsoe if you don't get hit.

Dirrell is a better fighter than valuev for sure, but he was still green vs froch. He made silly msitakes like running and holding too much.

Valuev has fought better people than dirrell though

As for dirrell, aa style was amde for dirrell. I knew this before the fight and bet so.

Dirrell has fast hands, moves and that's trouble for anyone who has a low workrate. let's see how dirrel does vs ward or kessler

Taylor has always ahd trouble with people who actually have a high workr ate. I mean he had a close fightr with spinks ffs. manny steward was pissed. hopkins doesnt have a high workrate either.

pavlik came in there, and showed that taylor doesnt deal with pressure. he got ktfo. In a rematch with a better weight he got beat again. Taylors chin is shot, he doesnt have the stamina and was only training for 10 rounds before froch.

Like hatton, he still has something elft, but when your chin is shot, and the sport you are doign is boxing, that's not a very good thing.

Yes it is difficult to compare HW's to SMW's. Let's then say that what haye has done and what froch has done is not comparable. thus hitman's argument is invalid

[Shattered Jaw]

PensionKiller... I'm glad someone has taken it upon themselves to educate you that:

Dirrell=Valuev
Kessler=Macca
Taylor=Barrett

is a travesty. Froch's expected opponents in the last 4 fights (Pascal, Taylor, Dirrell, Kessler) are so far ahead of Haye's cherry picked resume it's a joke.... And this is coming from a big Haye fan who has been watching him for a while.

[shade darkar]

Carl froch might be as lippy, but he backs it up by fighting the best schooling them then ****ing off.

What david haye is doing is embarrassing as his performacne against 38 year old bums.

He knows full well that he will get destroyed and turned to mush. But after that video a year ago when he went up to wlad and dissed him etc. He fakes backs injuries and now this???


He knows full well the klit bros are not going to fight each other and he knows full well, that they are bigger names, so the 50 50 is worful.

Lets be honest, and im a brit, he is **** scared of them and wants to defend against 38 year old mandatories who have been knocked out in 1 round in 1996...

The guy is a horrible person i hope adamek kncoks him out...

this guy is a dreamer.

[Grimmer]

Haye is more exciting than the small chubby heavyweights the Klits have fought recently. Chambers, Arreola, Peter and the rest.

[maverock]

Haye is more exciting than the small chubby heavyweights the Klits have fought recently. Chambers, Arreola, Peter and the rest.

One difference. Those guys got in the ring with the Klits, Haye did not and will not.

So what good is the "oh so exciting" David Haye when all he does is hide in the UK and fight old, over-the-hill bums?

[Toe Injury]

I've seen more ******ed hype about Haye than I've seen for any boxer in several years. Even the British boxing sources I found somewhat reputable up to that point seem unable to discuss Haye without knee-deep ******ation setting in. Read an article a few months ago about how Haye backing out of his Klitschko fights was all part of some brilliant masterplan to unify all 4 titles in the name of the fans and begin the great Haye - Ali debate. I mean, downright painful.

[Pirao]

Haye is more exciting than the small chubby heavyweights the Klits have fought recently. Chambers, Arreola, Peter and the rest.

More exciting than Arreola? Doubtful.

And it doesn't matter, being exciting doesn't help you prevent the Klitschkos from smashing your face in.

[Bring It On]

More exciting than Arreola? Doubtful.

Oh, come on! He's a fat douche with no skills that cries like a baby in the ring. Haye-fan or not, I don't see how he can be more exciting then Haye.

And don't give me that Valuev-****, that was one ****ing fight against an awkward opponent in terms of height etc.

[Pirao]

Oh, come on! He's a fat douche with no skills that cries like a baby in the ring. Haye-fan or not, I don't see how he can be more exciting then Haye.

And don't give me that Valuev-****, that was one ****ing fight against an awkward opponent in terms of height etc.

WTF has all that to do with being an exciting fighter? Will you still be saying Arreola has no skills if he beats Adamek?

But hey I'm going to follow your logic, Haye is a ***** douche that keeps ducking the Klitschkos and that got his belt from the fraud Valuev (whom Holy had already beaten), who only had that belt because the real champion Chagaev had been stripped by the WBA's BS regulations. I don't see how Haye is more exciting than the Klitschkos.