Is Floyd above the NSAC?

[B.U.R.N.E.R]

What part is crazy?

Me asking you which other fights are using OSTs?

You're the one saying it needs to be done for everyone.

So, again, I'm asking you,

which fights are using Olympic Style Drug Testing other than Floyd Shane?


Since you want information to be shared for everyone between the drug testing agency and NSAC,

which other fights should they share testing results for?

Arthur Abraham ring a bell?

[Calilloyd]

What part is crazy?

Me asking you which other fights are using OSTs?

You're the one saying it needs to be done for everyone.

So, again, I'm asking you,

which fights are using Olympic Style Drug Testing other than Floyd Shane?


Since you want information to be shared for everyone between the drug testing agency and NSAC,

which other fights should they share testing results for?

Auther Abraham uses it. Alexander Povetkin wants it for Wladimir Klitschko. There will be more fighters requesting it and this is not going away.

[The Gambler1981]

What part is crazy?

Me asking you which other fights are using OSTs?

You're the one saying it needs to be done for everyone.

So, again, I'm asking you,

which fights are using Olympic Style Drug Testing other than Floyd Shane?


Since you want information to be shared for everyone between the drug testing agency and NSAC,

which other fights should they share testing results for?

What the hell kind of point is that, it has happeaned before in Germany with Universum and going forward who knows when it will get asked for. Right now it is being done for the biggest fight of the year in the US (for now) and that is a good place to start since two huge names doing it will allow other fighters who felt like they could not ask for something like that to feel empowered.

I can't know how many boxers will ask for OST in the future since I don't know the future but I would think there are guys that are clean that would want it.

[carts]

What about the coward who refuses to take them?

he didnt refuse ur a BIASED SOAB..

[Carpe Diem]

No fighter is above the NSAC. The NSAC does its own thing regardless. NSAC will do it's own testing for any fight that is approved by the state of Nevada. But the NSAC does not draw up contracts. That's decided by the fighters. Mayweather had a clause demanding extra drug test, which camp Pac refused. Didn't replace the NSAC testing in any way. The OST wasn't about replacing the NSAC, it was a contractual clause that could of been agreed to by both fighters. But it wasn't.

Every true Boxing fans knows this except the blinded *******s.

[shekwan]

They would sweep it under the rug, which is why it wouldn't justify the extra costs (that cut into their profit) they'd incur by implementing more thorough testing.

The commission, judges, and refs all get paid by the promoter of the fight.

All of these clowns have an agenda pro-Pacquiao and/or anti-Mayweather or they wouldn't be arguing the validity of the need for the stricter testing and it being better done by a third party.

They're arguing bull**** as if they were a part of the NFLPA or MLBPA, the only difference is they're holding out for more money and these clowns do it for free.

Well isn't that where this is heading? TRUE change. That starts from top and organizational structure, and culture. You must take away from hands of promotors, but boxing will never do that because the promotors do not want to give up control nor the money. Cost justification of drug testing is a legitmate concern. Just like 95% of companies in America require you to take a piss test instead of testing for hair samples which is much more accurate up to 6 months. It's too expensive. I have not heard one logical argument for cost justification other than Keith Kizer saying, "It's too important not to." Well, just because my company uses urine test, and I can beat the urine tests for pot very easily, does not invalidate any of the testing done to all the employees in my work nor am I going accuse someone at work for drugs with no proof because there is a better test out there.

Fact of the matter is, boxing needs to organize itself like a National League (NFL, NBA, MLB), with a boxing commissioner, and a players union where players interests are protected. John McCain has legislation for this. Set these guys up with health care, Roth IRA's, etc. If there was a League Office with standardized testing and a commissioner with teeth, then you would see Floyd being fined for his comments, and the players union would be protecting the rights of BOTH Manny Pacquiao and Floyd Mayweather, Jr.

People are picking this shet apart, because it's an ill conceived concept to begin with. Better drug testing! Ok fine. Show us how your going to do it, and for everyone.... not just one boxer here or there. What is the long term step by step solution in how you can implement this? What are the alternative cost justified solutions? Instead of issuing press statements patting yourself on back as some pioneer that reads more like an advertisement before any significant breakthroughs have EVER been made, show us something more. Give us a plan that's accountable and has enforcement.

Otherwise, you're just making shet up as you go along.

[B.U.R.N.E.R]

Well isn't that where this is heading? TRUE change. That starts from top and organizational structure, and culture. You must take away from hands of promotors, but boxing will never do that because the promotors do not want to give up control nor the money. Cost justification of drug testing is a legitmate concern. Just like 95% of companies in America require you to take a piss test instead of testing for hair samples which is much more accurate up to 6 months. It's too expensive. I have not heard one logical argument for cost justification other than Keith Kizer saying, "It's too important not to." Well, just because my company uses urine test, and I can beat the urine tests for pot very easily, does not invalidate any of the testing done to all the employees in my work nor am I going accuse someone at work for drugs with no proof.

Fact of the matter is, boxing needs to organize itself like a National League (NFL, NBA, MLB), with a boxing commissioner, and a players union where players interests are protected. Set these guys up with health care, Roth IRA's, etc. If there was a League Office with standardized testing and a commissioner with teeth, then you would see Floyd being fined for his comments, and the players union would be protecting the rights of BOTH Manny Pacquiao and Floyd Mayweather, Jr.

People are picking this shet apart, because it's an ill conceived concept to begin with. Better drug testing! Ok fine. Show us how your going to do it, and for everyone.... not just one boxer here or there. What is the long term step by step solution in how you can implement this? What are the alternative cost justified solutions? Instead of issuing press statements patting yourself on back as some pioneer that reads more like an advertisement before any significant breakthroughs have EVER been made, show us something more. Give us a plan.

Otherwise, you're just making shet up as you go along.

Its not a commission thing its a contract thing.

[Carpe Diem]

A former Nevada State Athletic Commission Medical Advisory Board Chairman and Chief Ringside Physician, Dr. Margaret Goodman

FH: Did you feel that the testing was successful?

Goodman: The problem is that you know that fighters are smart, and the people that handle them are smart. Not to say that there are a lot of cheaters out there. Now, we're just talking about anabolic steroids.

But those that were using, often the drugs would be out of their system so that when there was a fighter that was caught, it wasn't necessarily because the testing was so fabulous, and that it's so pervasive, and we're doing the right drug-testing, etc., but because somebody didn't stop using the drugs in time.

FH: What do you mean they stopped using the drug in time?

Goodman: There are other performance enhancing drugs that are not being tested for and that's the problem currently. But as far as anabolic steroids, they are used in either a 'Stacking' form, or a 'Pyramiding' form. In other words, usually if a fighter is caught, they usually have more than one drug in their system -- that's typical.

I've seen that in Nevada, I've seen that in California, and I've seen that in other states. To accomplish what an athlete wants to accomplish with the use of anabolic steroids, you have to take different ones. And you take them at different times during your training.

So, you might start with one drug, and then as your training goes on, maybe a month or two in advance you start adding another drug in. And, later on, you take that first drug off. So there may be three or four anabolic drugs that an individual is using -- maybe more in some cases, perhaps less in others.

FH: So if a boxer were to drop off of them, will those drugs still have that desired effect when he fights?

Goodman: Yes. But they may not be detected in your system. And that's because every particular drug -- whether it's over the counter, a pfescription drug, or an illegal drug -- has a certain half-life. And that refers to how long the drug is really effective in your system.

Depending on the half-life or the time that the drug stays in your system, there's another time that applies to when it can be detected on a drug screen.

http://boxing.fanhouse.com/2010/01/06/former-commission-doctor-says-blood-testing-feasable-for-boxing/

[And Still]

STOP

Floyd isn't changing the rules. Floyd isn't running the Commission. No Commission rules are being broken.

What Floyd and Shane are doing is called "CONDITIONS" , not "RULES". Pacquiao fans are repeating the Top Rank storyline without analysis. Groupthink.

Say you live in a subdivision, there is no city ordinance or law (rule) against you painting your house Laker Purple and Yellow. But your subdivision has a covenant (condition) that prevents that.

In every business, municipality, etc, there are always instances where deals are done that are "more restrictive" than the law. For example, in boxing, you have catchweights. Pac and Cotto can fight for a belt at 145 because that is more (not less) restrictive than the Boxing weight rules. They couldn't fight at 148 because that woukd be less restrictive.

Haven't any of you ever taken a Business law class?

Another example is Zoning. Your store may be zoned for retail, but the shopping mall you are in may restrict the sale of alcoholic beverages...even though it is legal in your county. This is done all the time.

Floyd is saying that the conditions for fighting him are that you have to submit to OST.
Similarly, Pacquiao is saying that the conditions for fighting him are that you have to pay a $10 million weight penalty (which is more restrictive than the 10% NSAC fine).

Can y'all get your hands around this?

The issue is NOT that Floyd is usurping the NSAC. It is not. The only reason why the drug test is such a contentious issue is because the topic of drug testing is 1) new, 2) sexy and salacious, and 3) carries the undertone of su****ion and accusation.

I have heard some people say "why didn't Floyd go to the Commission to change the rules?" Well, he didn't want to go through the hassle. Not when he can just set conditions on his fights. Just like your subdivision isn't going to fight City Hall to create house paint color laws. Not when they can simply put those restrictions in their HOA covenants.

I'm trying to explain this in a fair, unemotional way because you guys are so polarized and entrenched.

Another example: Say there was a FEDERAL law that set the speed limit at 70. Any state can then set their own law at 55, 65, or 70. But they couldn't set a state speed limit at 75. Get it?

Pac fans, Floyd has the right to set conditions on his fight. He isn't violating ethics or rules by doing that. If he was, don't you think the NSAC (a public, governmental entity) would stop him? It hurts my eyes and offends my intelligence when you guys say that.


* I used a zoning example because I have a lot of development experience.

[And Still]

People are picking this shet apart, because it's an ill conceived concept to begin with. Better drug testing! Ok fine. Show us how your going to do it, and for everyone.... not just one boxer here or there. What is the long term step by step solution in how you can implement this? What are the alternative cost justified solutions? Instead of issuing press statements patting yourself on back as some pioneer that reads more like an advertisement before any significant breakthroughs have EVER been made, show us something more. Give us a plan that's accountable and has enforcement.

Otherwise, you're just making shet up as you go along.

Why? Why does it have to be for everyone? Why can't one boxer say "these are the conditions I will fight under"?

Looking for the law here. Or even the practical barriers.