Anyone else hate Hopkins?

[General Zod]

So according to your logic, no jr.welterweight or welterweight would've gotten credit for stopping Mayweather's unbeaten streak while he was moving up in weight?

Meaning no natural-division fighter ever gets credit for beating a great fighter who is movng up in weight to become a multi-division champ? Sounds like idiotic logic to me.

When Mayweather moved up the divisions he would fight a couple of nobodies to get settled in the division before facing the Champion at that weight. Which is the way fighters suposed to move up, if you move up fight one opponent then fight the reigning champion at that weight you are asking for trouble. If those fighters beat Mayweather, yes they should get some credit, but how much should they get? What did Tito do at MW that was so amazing before and after he fought Hopkins?

Bottom line is, Hopkins has beaten plenty of prime, natural middleweights who were pretty good and solid 160 contenders.

Do you consider Allen*3, Echols*2 and Holmes to be top fighters?

It's just that he made his name and fame when he finally beat a smaller great fighter moving up in Trinidad, nothing wrong with that as most expected Trinidad to blast him.

How was Tito expected to beat Hopkins exactly? Hopkins is bigger than him, never been koed and the better boxer. Tito was outboxed by DLH but he is now expected to beat Hopkins? Just because he was the favourite doesnt mean anything, people just got carried away with his win over Joppy

Trying to **** on Hopkins's resume with your selective- put-a-negative-spin to every great win he's had is pathetic.

Ive noticed how you never give any example to defend him is this great according to you
Pavlik moved up 2 divisions
Winky moved up 2 divisions
Oscar moved up 1 division
Tito moved up 1 division

These are his best wins, why didnt he face Toney in 2003? What about Jones in 2002? Why hasnt he fought Dawson who has been calling him out for the past year?

You say my criticism of him is pathetic, but which is worse me critisizing him or Hopkins:
Headbutting Jones II 4 times, rabbit punches, low blows
Bouncing off the ropes and headbutting Winky Wright
Clinching and headbutting Calzaghe
Hitting Holmes low through out their entire fight
etc, etc

[Rich.r]

I`m a big fan.

[cupocity303]

When Mayweather moved up the divisions he would fight a couple of nobodies to get settled in the division before facing the Champion at that weight. Which is the way fighters suposed to move up, if you move up fight one opponent then fight the reigning champion at that weight you are asking for trouble. If those fighters beat Mayweather, yes they should get some credit, but how much should they get? What did Tito do at MW that was so amazing before and after he fought Hopkins?

Do you consider Allen*3, Echols*2 and Holmes to be top fighters?

How was Tito expected to beat Hopkins exactly? Hopkins is bigger than him, never been koed and the better boxer. Tito was outboxed by DLH but he is now expected to beat Hopkins? Just because he was the favourite doesnt mean anything, people just got carried away with his win over Joppy

Ive noticed how you never give any example to defend him is this great according to you
Pavlik moved up 2 divisions
Winky moved up 2 divisions
Oscar moved up 1 division
Tito moved up 1 division

These are his best wins, why didnt he face Toney in 2003? What about Jones in 2002? Why hasnt he fought Dawson who has been calling him out for the past year?

You say my criticism of him is pathetic, but which is worse me critisizing him or Hopkins:
Headbutting Jones II 4 times, rabbit punches, low blows
Bouncing off the ropes and headbutting Winky Wright
Clinching and headbutting Calzaghe
Hitting Holmes low through out their entire fight
etc, etc

More blah and confirming what I said.


If you can't give Hopkins credit for one win, without putting a negative component to it, then that doesn't make you a reasonable critic, it make you a HATER.

The End.

[cupocity303]

When Mayweather moved up the divisions he would fight a couple of nobodies to get settled in the division before facing the Champion at that weight. Which is the way fighters suposed to move up, if you move up fight one opponent then fight the reigning champion at that weight you are asking for trouble. If those fighters beat Mayweather, yes they should get some credit, but how much should they get? What did Tito do at MW that was so amazing before and after he fought Hopkins?

Mayweather fought Jose Louis Castillo, the Offical Lightweight Champion of the World at that time, in his first try at 135. No tune-up's for Floyd.

Again, according to you logic, that means that Castillo doesn't get credit had he broken Mayweather's undefeated streak because he faced a smaller guy coming up in weight.

Idiotic.

[cupocity303]

Ive noticed how you never give any example to defend him is this great according to you
Pavlik moved up 2 divisions
Winky moved up 2 divisions
Oscar moved up 1 division
Tito moved up 1 division

And Hopkins moved up 2-divisons and dominated the Ring Magazine LIght-Heavyweight Champ Tarver.

So the difference is, Hopkins was successfull moving up 2 weight classes and they weren't.

[General Zod]

Mayweather fought Jose Louis Castillo, the Offical Lightweight Champion of the World at that time, in his first try at 135. No tune-up's for Floyd.

Again, according to you logic, that means that Castillo doesn't get credit had he broken Mayweather's undefeated streak because he faced a smaller guy coming up in weight.
Idiotic.

I said the best way to move up is to fight some tune ups (like Floyd) at the higher weight and then fight the reigning champion, Floyd lost the Castillo fight and was given a gift, which kinds of proves my point, not yours.

He obviously learned his lesson which is why:
Floyd fought Shamba Mitchell before facing Judah
He fought Ndou and Corley at 140, but couldn't get fights with the other champions at that weight so he moved up.
Baldomir walks into the ring at 160+, so he had some experience fighting a bigger guy before facing Oscar.

I never said he dosent get credit, I said how much credit should he get for beating a guy who has just moved up? I also made a point earlier saying that the fighters who are succesfull moving up either have the physique to carry the extra weight or the skill set, to compete at the higher weight class. Looking at Floyd's technique, you know he should be able to outbox bigger opponents. Tito was a class B boxer at best with great power, but against the bigger more skilled guys he was completely shut down, just because one fighter can make the jump doesnt mean another fighter can.. Look at it another way, are Titos achievements at mw great according to you?

[General Zod]

More blah and confirming what I said.


If you can't give Hopkins credit for one win, without putting a negative component to it, then that doesn't make you a reasonable critic, it make you a HATER.

The End.

I never said he shouldnt get credit, but how much credit should he get for beating big name smaller opponents? Hopkins made his pro debut at cw (177) before moving down three divisions. If you watch his fights you will notice he is bigger than most of his opponents.Why doesnt he beat some big name bigger opponents instead? Why hasnt he fought another lhw in 4 years? Why was he trying to fight Paul williams an ex ww at lhw, and tito II at lhw? Dawson the no 2 lhw is calling him out and he fights a mw instead?

As for the Hater comment, do you want me to quote the kind of crap he has been saying over the years? Why should I like him anyway? He is dirty, boring and racist

[General Zod]

And Hopkins moved up 2-divisons and dominated the Ring Magazine LIght-Heavyweight Champ Tarver.

So the difference is, Hopkins was successfull moving up 2 weight classes and they weren't.

I give him credit for the Tarver win, no doubt.

Just because some fighters can move up successfully doesn't mean all fighters can move up successfully. The way we judge who has and who hasn't is by their accomplishments in that division. Which brings me back to my original point what has Winky and Pavlik achieved at lhw? What did Oscar and Tito achieve at mw? Were they successfull at the higher weight according to you? If they werent successfull at the higher weight, then how much credit should Hopkins get for beating them?

[cupocity303]

I give him credit for the Tarver win, no doubt.

Just because some fighters can move up successfully doesn't mean all fighters can move up successfully. The way we judge who has and who hasn't is by their accomplishments in that division. Which brings me back to my original point what has Winky and Pavlik achieved at lhw? What did Oscar and Tito achieve at mw? Were they successfull at the higher weight according to you? If they werent successfull at the higher weight, then how much credit should Hopkins get for beating them?

He gets credit for beating Tito because Tito was favored to beat him by a mile. He gets credit because Tito was undefeated and a top 10 P4P fighter. He gets even more credit because Tito didn't just move up from 154 and fight him, he first feeled out the divison against William Joppy, collecting a title along the way. Moving on.

He gets credit for the Winky win because it's was a stylistic problem. Winky's style is hard to crack and he did it to an extent. It was Hopkins' first fight back in a year and he could've been rusty, yet he fought a top-skilled fighter unstead of a tune-up opponent.

As for the Pavlik fight, he took that fight and he took it quick after the Calzaghe loss, as a bounce-back fight to prove people wrong. People wrote him off after Calzaghe, the majority favored Pavlik to beat him and he shocked the world again. So I could care less about your selective (this guy was too little) talk. Pavlik was 6'2 and probably walks around at 175-180 just like Hopkins.

[cupocity303]

I said the best way to move up is to fight some tune ups (like Floyd) at the higher weight and then fight the reigning champion, Floyd lost the Castillo fight and was given a gift, which kinds of proves my point, not yours.

He obviously learned his lesson which is why:
Floyd fought Shamba Mitchell before facing Judah
He fought Ndou and Corley at 140, but couldn't get fights with the other champions at that weight so he moved up.
Baldomir walks into the ring at 160+, so he had some experience fighting a bigger guy before facing Oscar.

I never said he dosent get credit, I said how much credit should he get for beating a guy who has just moved up? I also made a point earlier saying that the fighters who are succesfull moving up either have the physique to carry the extra weight or the skill set, to compete at the higher weight class. Looking at Floyd's technique, you know he should be able to outbox bigger opponents. Tito was a class B boxer at best with great power, but against the bigger more skilled guys he was completely shut down, just because one fighter can make the jump doesnt mean another fighter can.. Look at it another way, are Titos achievements at mw great according to you?

Ok more over-analyzing on your part. So let me get this straight, he gets credit for those victories but it's just a matter of how much credit he should get for beating Delahoya, Tito, Winky, is that right?

Can we now create a bar-o-meter to measure how much you think he should get credit for those wins, and how much credit the rest of us think he deserves. It's only a disagreement of degrees of credit he deserves correct?

Jeeezus, some of you guys are frustrating to talk to.!!!!