NSB. Give Me Your Thoughts On This Top 100 ATG List?

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Lew Jenkins had a reputation for entering the ring totally hammered or hungover.

I just felt like throwing that in.

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Ezzard Charles went 3-0 against Archie Moore, whom Sugar ranks at #22, at LHW. He beat Teddy Yarosz, who's in the HOF. He went 2-0 against Charley Burley, who Sugar rates at #59. He went 5-0 against HOFer Joey Maxim. He went 2-1 against HOFer Lloyd Marshall. He went 4-1 against HOFer Jimmy Bivins. He went 2-2 against Jersey Joe Walcott, another HOF who Sugar rates at #79. He beat Joe Louis. That's 20+ victories over HOFers, several of whom are on Sugar's top 100.

And yet Charles still manages to come in 15 spots behind Jack Dempsey.

Done by Bert Sugar in 2005.
1. Sugar Ray Robinson
2. Henry Armstrong
3. Wille Pep
4. Joe Louis
5. Harry Greb
6. Benny Leonard
7. Muhammad Ali
8. Roberto Duran
9. Jack Dempsey
10. Jack Johnson
11. Mickey Walker
12. Tony Canzoneri
13. Gene Tunney
14. Rocky Marciano
15. Joe Gans
16. Sam Langford
17. Julio Cesar Chavez
18. Jimmy Wilde
19. Stanley Ketchel
20 Barney Ross
21, Jimmy McLarnin
22. Archie Moore
23. Marcel Cerdan
24. Ezzard Charles
25. Sugar Ray Leonard
26. Joe Walcott (The original)
27. Jake LaMotta
28. Eder Jofre
29. Emile Griffith
30. Terry McGovern
31. George Foreman
32. Johnny Dundee
33. Jose Napoles
34. Pascual Perez
35. Billy Conn
36. Ruben Olivares
37. Joe Frazier
38. Tommy Loughran
39. Sandy Saddler
40. Kid Chocolate
41. Abe Attell
42. Evander Holyfield
43. George Dixon
44. Maxie Rosenbloom
45. Larry Holmes
46. Ted "Kid" Lewis
47. Marvin Hagler
48. Pernell Whitaker
49. Carlos Zarate
50. Thomas Hearns
51. Battling Nelson
52. Beau Jack
53. Ricardo ;Lopez
54. John L. Sullivan
55. Carlos Monzon
56. Alexis Arguello
57. Carmen Basillio
58. Pete Herman
59. Charley Burley
60. Ike Williams
61. Kid Gavilan
62. Jack Britton
63. **** Tiger
64. Pancho Villa
65. Panama Al Brown
66. Bob Fitszimmons
67. Philadelphia Jack O'Brien
68. Tiger Flowers
69. James J.Corbett
70. Tony Zale
71. Tommy Ryan
72. Georges Carpentier
73, Sonny Liston
74. "Kid" McCoy
75. Bob Foster
76. Freddie Welsh
77. Joe Jeanette
78. Jim Driscoll
79. Jersey Joe Walcott
80. Peter Jackson
81. Ad Wolgast
82. Jack Dempsey (The Nonpareil)
83. Manuel Ortiz
84. James J. Jeffries
85. Salvador Sanchez
86. Jimmy Barry
87. Carlos Ortiz
88. Roy Jones Jr.
89. Wilfredo Gomez
90. Aaron Pryor
91. Bernard Hopkins
92. Mike Gibbons
93. Jack Delaney
94. Johnny Kilbane
95. Willie Ritchie
96. Wilfredo Benitez
97. Packey McFarland
98. Rocky Graziano
99. Lew Jenkins
100. Mike Tyson

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It's...horrific.

[GoogleMe]

I can't seem to find Lewis on the list??? And if he ain't, it's a **** list. Though I like rating Marciano high, and Holyfield fought EVERYONE give him some credit.

[Pirao]

**** list IMO.

[The Beatles]

Ali is too low......Dempsey is too high.....there ain't no way Dempsey ranks higher than Ezzard P4P

[Shattered Jaw]

Where is Floyd Mayweather?

[wazaa.]

**** Bert Sugar. I cant stand that guy. Trying to be cool with the hat and the cigar. get the **** outta here.

[RockyB]

Holyfield too low, and Leonard too low.. IMO

[Zhaakal]

you should post this on the history area, ull get a better response.

I think historians try sound like they know it all by ranking unknown fighters high. Old time fighters in like 1920/30s get rated way to high. Overated in my opinion.

Yes. It makes me sick.