NSB. Give Me Your Thoughts On This Top 100 ATG List?

[Southpaw Great]

Done by Bert Sugar in 2005.
1. Sugar Ray Robinson
2. Henry Armstrong
3. Wille Pep
4. Joe Louis
5. Harry Greb
6. Benny Leonard
7. Muhammad Ali
8. Roberto Duran
9. Jack Dempsey
10. Jack Johnson
11. Mickey Walker
12. Tony Canzoneri
13. Gene Tunney
14. Rocky Marciano
15. Joe Gans
16. Sam Langford
17. Julio Cesar Chavez
18. Jimmy Wilde
19. Stanley Ketchel
20 Barney Ross
21, Jimmy McLarnin
22. Archie Moore
23. Marcel Cerdan
24. Ezzard Charles
25. Sugar Ray Leonard
26. Joe Walcott (The original)
27. Jake LaMotta
28. Eder Jofre
29. Emile Griffith
30. Terry McGovern
31. George Foreman
32. Johnny Dundee
33. Jose Napoles
34. Pascual Perez
35. Billy Conn
36. Ruben Olivares
37. Joe Frazier
38. Tommy Loughran
39. Sandy Saddler
40. Kid Chocolate
41. Abe Attell
42. Evander Holyfield
43. George Dixon
44. Maxie Rosenbloom
45. Larry Holmes
46. Ted "Kid" Lewis
47. Marvin Hagler
48. Pernell Whitaker
49. Carlos Zarate
50. Thomas Hearns
51. Battling Nelson
52. Beau Jack
53. Ricardo ;Lopez
54. John L. Sullivan
55. Carlos Monzon
56. Alexis Arguello
57. Carmen Basillio
58. Pete Herman
59. Charley Burley
60. Ike Williams
61. Kid Gavilan
62. Jack Britton
63. **** Tiger
64. Pancho Villa
65. Panama Al Brown
66. Bob Fitszimmons
67. Philadelphia Jack O'Brien
68. Tiger Flowers
69. James J.Corbett
70. Tony Zale
71. Tommy Ryan
72. Georges Carpentier
73, Sonny Liston
74. "Kid" McCoy
75. Bob Foster
76. Freddie Welsh
77. Joe Jeanette
78. Jim Driscoll
79. Jersey Joe Walcott
80. Peter Jackson
81. Ad Wolgast
82. Jack Dempsey (The Nonpareil)
83. Manuel Ortiz
84. James J. Jeffries
85. Salvador Sanchez
86. Jimmy Barry
87. Carlos Ortiz
88. Roy Jones Jr.
89. Wilfredo Gomez
90. Aaron Pryor
91. Bernard Hopkins
92. Mike Gibbons
93. Jack Delaney
94. Johnny Kilbane
95. Willie Ritchie
96. Wilfredo Benitez
97. Packey McFarland
98. Rocky Graziano
99. Lew Jenkins
100. Mike Tyson

[Jcsuper]

In all honestly, there are some guys I don't even know who the **** they are.

Ad Wolgast ?? I've always tought that the 80 's 90 's 00's are underrated when we talk about history, considering that pretty much all sports are in constant evolution and technique are always better

[Heeb]

I don't know a lot about fighters before Ali's time, but seeing Rocky Marciano so high tells me something is wrong with this list. But Bert Sugar knows a lot more about boxing than me.

[Earl-Hickey]

Tyson shouldn't be on there at all, evander is too high, that's the glaring things for me.

These things are subjective, this isn't a bad list

[Jcsuper]

http://boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?hum...9466&cat=boxer

How the **** a guy like Lew Jenkins is higher than Tyson, Lewis, Pacquiao, Floyd. People will say I'm a boxrec warrior and yes, I admit, I have never seen Jenkins fight, however I highly doubt he is ahead of the guys i just mentionned

[Thread Stealer]

The omission of Michael Spinks is ridiculous. So is his ranking of Jack Dempsey at #9. After all, Bert Sugar is the guy who was talking about Roy Jones not being ranked that high and saying "he lacks the criteria of meeting and beating other greats".

Just like Jack Dempsey fought and beat all those greats. Oh wait, he didn't.

[Shattered Jaw]

Tyson should be top 5.

[minasyan]

lol at jenkins


ali has to be top 5

[SpecialOne]

you should post this on the history area, ull get a better response.

I think historians try sound like they know it all by ranking unknown fighters high. Old time fighters in like 1920/30s get rated way to high. Overated in my opinion.

[The Beatles]

what is Bert Sugar's criteria for measuring greatness????

he obviously disregards actual footage of a fighter in an actual fight because if i'm certain there ain't **** on Greb and many others on this list