Paul Williams Is An Idiot

[Toda Caine]

I would like to think that Paul wouldn't trade with Pavlik. But as some point in the fight, if they fight, he would...numerous times.

[FaustoGeraci]

Williams would beat both. I think he wants to fight the big $$ fights at WW. After Pavlik pulled out twice vs Paul it makes sense they were reluctant to move forward.

[Heru]

williams would trade with pavlik and when he does he is finished watch williams against sharmba mitchell margarito quintana martinez w matthyse and you will see how many time those smaller men were able to tag williams at will do you honestly believe that williams will move laterally in and out throughout the course of 12 rounds with pavlik with williams style of fighting? pavlik would be coming forward and williams first instinct will be to exchange and when he does lights out for williams

Mitchell, Quintana, and Martinez are smaller southpaws, they all hit him with overhand/straight lefts and right hooks that he can't see from the southpaw stance.

I remember Margarito taking more than a half a fight to get going. And the only thing he could hit him with, is with a left uppercut and right hand combo or a body shot. Can't remember to clearly about the Mathysse fight. He doesn't just throw punches as his defense anymore look at the way he handled Winky. Combinations and lateral movement (which is his defense).

That said, I can see your point happening, so I'm not completely ruling it out.

[ny123]

Mitchell, Quintana, and Martinez are smaller southpaws, they all hit him with overhand/straight lefts and right hooks that he can't see from the southpaw stance.

I remember Margarito taking more than a half a fight to get going. And the only thing he could hit him with, is with a left uppercut and right hand combo or a body shot. Can't remember to clearly about the Mathysse fight. He doesn't just throw punches as his defense anymore look at the way he handled Winky. Combinations and lateral movement (which is his defense).

That said, I can see your point happening, so I'm not completely ruling it out.

if you get a chance rewatch the matthyse fight and as far as margs goes he almost always takes half the fight to get going. winky was older and coming off a long layoff and didnt have the power to stop williams in his tracks like i think pavlik does. i just think that williams is a fighter first not a boxer and with a guy like pavlik who is about the same size and who will be coming forward for 12 i just dont see how williams avoids a war and from how i saw him taking punches from martinez who doesnt have comparable power to pavlik i dont see him standing up to kelly.

[Iceta Lives]

Seriously, how do you demand purse parity when you're going to fight for the Middleweight Championship of the World.

A win over Pavlik would get him even more leverage for fights in lower divisions, up his popularity, up his P4P status, and get him closer to Hall of Fame credentials.

Is he happier facing Kermit Cintron for the same amount of money, but less accolades, less anticipation, and over/under 2K people in attendance?

It's probably not his sole decision, but he definitely must have a say. I don't care what reasoning his team gives really. Take the nice cut you were getting, try to negotiate a better position, accept, and get in the ring. You bring HBO interest, but you're not the draw or the champ. Now Sergio Martinez will reap the rewards of everything that you were in the position to get (Sergio is gonna whoop Pavlik, believe it). End of rant/

Paul Williams is getting the same amount of money for fighting Cintron as he would have if he fought Kelly Pavlik? I find that hard to believe. I would've thought that Cintron would be less of a money fight. But I see the point of this thread. I'm favoring Martinez to whoop Pavlik. And if he does, Williams could've costed himself some money in the long run by not accepting the reasonable offer to get the Pavlik fight re-scheduled. Because like you said, Martinez isn't gonna let Goosen and Williams low ball him as compared to before. The Williams-Martinez rematch should be at least close to 50-50 if Martinez ends up beating Pavlik.

[check hook]

Seriously, how do you demand purse parity when you're going to fight for the Middleweight Championship of the World.

A win over Pavlik would get him even more leverage for fights in lower divisions, up his popularity, up his P4P status, and get him closer to Hall of Fame credentials.

Is he happier facing Kermit Cintron for the same amount of money, but less accolades, less anticipation, and over/under 2K people in attendance?

It's probably not his sole decision, but he definitely must have a say. I don't care what reasoning his team gives really. Take the nice cut you were getting, try to negotiate a better position, accept, and get in the ring. You bring HBO interest, but you're not the draw or the champ. Now Sergio Martinez will reap the rewards of everything that you were in the position to get (Sergio is gonna whoop Pavlik, believe it). End of rant/

I agree.....you can't say Pavlik ducked him when he wanted 50%....that's absurd. Paul isn't even a bigger draw than Pavlik and he wants parity?
Pavlik isn't afraid of Paul. In my view Martinez is much tougher for Kelly style wise than Paul would be. He should have asked for 40%....that's realistic.

[dcull111]

if williams can make welterweight, then he should stay at welterweight imo. there's better fights there for him...

[TanMeat]

Williams has a tough fight against Cintron. Cintron has some killer KO power. This will bea great scrap. War Cintron!

[Pullcounter]

Seriously, how do you demand purse parity when you're going to fight for the Middleweight Championship of the World.

A win over Pavlik would get him even more leverage for fights in lower divisions, up his popularity, up his P4P status, and get him closer to Hall of Fame credentials.

Is he happier facing Kermit Cintron for the same amount of money, but less accolades, less anticipation, and over/under 2K people in attendance?

It's probably not his sole decision, but he definitely must have a say. I don't care what reasoning his team gives really. Take the nice cut you were getting, try to negotiate a better position, accept, and get in the ring. You bring HBO interest, but you're not the draw or the champ. Now Sergio Martinez will reap the rewards of everything that you were in the position to get (Sergio is gonna whoop Pavlik, believe it). End of rant/

paul's not an idiot, he's being protected by Goosen. goosen can't risk a fight against the hardest puncher at 160 lbs without getting significant paper.

[Spray_resistant]

It was a bad move asking for a 50/50 when Pavlik is the champ and the one with something to lose against a guy who is not a big star yet though he seems to think otherwise.

Still no matter how this fight with Sergio turns out I didn't think Paul could beat him because that come forward pressure style that gave him his success would have gotten him ko'd against Kelly.

PPL talk about him fighting differently but when has he shown that he can do this?

Pavlik is right when talking about PWill's style in saying that he just comes forward throws 100 punches a round and hopes something happens.