Paul Williams Is An Idiot

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if you get a chance rewatch the matthyse fight and as far as margs goes he almost always takes half the fight to get going. winky was older and coming off a long layoff and didnt have the power to stop williams in his tracks like i think pavlik does. i just think that williams is a fighter first not a boxer and with a guy like pavlik who is about the same size and who will be coming forward for 12 i just dont see how williams avoids a war and from how i saw him taking punches from martinez who doesnt have comparable power to pavlik i dont see him standing up to kelly.

Ima check the Mathysse fight out again, I remember it being a somewhat good fight.Margarito couldn't really get anything done because of Williams nonstop offense, even when he was able to, he got shutdown again.

Pavlik will no doubt have to come from behind to beat Williams because he won't be able to take him out early or out box Williams. Pavlik's slow hands, feet, and leaky defense will have him losing, until he catches him, if he catches him at all.

Paul Williams is getting the same amount of money for fighting Cintron as he would have if he fought Kelly Pavlik? I find that hard to believe. I would've thought that Cintron would be less of a money fight. But I see the point of this thread. I'm favoring Martinez to whoop Pavlik. And if he does, Williams could've costed himself some money in the long run by not accepting the reasonable offer to get the Pavlik fight re-scheduled. Because like you said, Martinez isn't gonna let Goosen and Williams low ball him as compared to before. The Williams-Martinez rematch should be at least close to 50-50 if Martinez ends up beating Pavlik.

I don't think it's the exact same, but it should be close to it. He was getting 40-something % against Pavlik which supposedly was close to 1.8 and assuming he's getting the bigger share against Cintron, it should be 1-1.5 or somewhere around that, but I'm not sure.

You never know what's gonna happen, IMO he made a mistake.

I agree.....you can't say Pavlik ducked him when he wanted 50%....that's absurd. Paul isn't even a bigger draw than Pavlik and he wants parity?
Pavlik isn't afraid of Paul. In my view Martinez is much tougher for Kelly style wise than Paul would be. He should have asked for 40%....that's realistic.

I think he was getting even more than 40% when they agreed to the fight in December. But after that fight was scrapped, Goossen said that they wouldn't accept to anything lower than 50/50.

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If a welter weight who is not a big puncher was rocking Pwill. He would be koed against Pavlik. It would be an action fight, Williams would be hit more often and harder then Serigo hit him. Williams is smart I think he is better at super welter weight or welter weight.

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i don't think it matters...honestly...cintron is just a big of a name as pavlik to me...one is champ and the other is not...people also know that cintron and martinez fought...

but at the same time it's like going backwards...cintron and martinez got a draw (robbery)...so after willimas fights him...he takes a step back and fights cintron? but it's more of the camps to blame...everyone and their grand child knows that they were supposed to fight...a clear win for pavlik will be in line if williams wins his...and we'll see the showdown...if matrinez wins...he'll rematch either paul or cintron...it's a win/win for all involved if you ask me...unless pavlik has no interest in fighting cintron...

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williams would trade with pavlik and when he does he is finished watch williams against sharmba mitchell margarito quintana martinez w matthyse and you will see how many time those smaller men were able to tag williams at will do you honestly believe that williams will move laterally in and out throughout the course of 12 rounds with pavlik with williams style of fighting? pavlik would be coming forward and williams first instinct will be to exchange and when he does lights out for williams

Margarito is one of Williams finest performance. He wasn't careless in that fight, he was moving well. I agree with the rest of the post.

Williams has to fight smarter. Martinez made him look like a fool.

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i don't think it matters...honestly...cintron is just a big of a name as pavlik to me...one is champ and the other is not...people also know that cintron and martinez fought...

but at the same time it's like going backwards...cintron and martinez got a draw (robbery)...so after willimas fights him...he takes a step back and fights cintron? but it's more of the camps to blame...everyone and their grand child knows that they were supposed to fight...a clear win for pavlik will be in line if williams wins his...and we'll see the showdown...if matrinez wins...he'll rematch either paul or cintron...it's a win/win for all involved if you ask me...unless pavlik has no interest in fighting cintron...

agreed, I'm not too impressed with pwill/cintron. I mean cintron lost to sergio twice in one fight and he was getting beat up by feliciano. FELICIANO!!!!