The reason why Mayweather demanded random blood testing against Mosley & Pacquiao.

[Slick_Rick]

Who cares. Maybe he didn't think of it like others in the sport didn't think of it. When it was brought to his attention, he became aware of it.

Why doesn't boxing even have such a testing in place?

It's bigger than Floyd now.

What do you mean who cares, why is it made a point of asking for testing against Manny because Roach trained someone who tested positive but then we shouldn't care for the Oscar fight who he also trained. Your answer is just based upon assumptions.

"Why doesn't boxing even have such a testing in place"?

Because its hasn't moved with the times, there are too many separate en******, governing bodies etc.

HIV testing wasn't introduced till the late 90's i believe, how slow is that.

True, but Floyd couldn't even choose his gloves against Oscar and was forced to move up to 154lbs. Oscar would never give-in a single demand.

Well if Floyd is such a forward thinker people make him out to be he could have raised the issue after, a non issue may I add.

People are really just believing the propaganda that is being spoon fed too them.

[Doctor_Tenma]

The Mayweathers are a boxing family.

According to them, if you're not in the loop of boxing,

"you don't know ****".

Ok, cool, they know their ****.

They're also linked to drug sales, and drug use.

Floyd has done some extraordinary things in the ring.

Retired at the time a well known boxer came under scrutiny for past steroid use.

Has been friends with people who are also suspected of using steroids.



Is there any reason why Floyd shouldn't be suspected either? If there was nothing to hide in the past,

why not demand blood testing?

He subjected himself to WADA testing.

[Seleção No. 13]

This thread holds no weight. Just because Roach trained someone with roids, it doesn't mean Pacquiao has something to hide. Amir Khan might as well be on roids.

[PureBoxer]

This thread holds no weight. Just because Roach trained someone with roids, it doesn't mean Pacquiao has something to hide. Amir Khan might as well be on roids.

I didn't say Pacquiao has something to hide. He's innocent until proven guilty.

I said Pacquiao's trainer having a history of training fighters on steroids is a good reason to request random blood testing against him, especially since his conditioning coach, Alex Ariza, admitted Pacquiao doesn't know what he takes during training.

[Seleção No. 13]

I didn't say Pacquiao has something to hide. He's innocent until proven guilty.

I said Pacquiao's trainer having a history of training fighters on steroids is a good reason to request random blood testing against him, especially since his conditioning coach, Alex Ariza, admitted Pacquiao doesn't know what he takes during training.

Even so, I don't think the Mayweathers had any knowledge of Roach's background with steroids prior to the demands... unless I missed something.

And Roach doesn't even know that Manny never took immunizations as a child, it was just Ariza. Shows how much he knows about his fighter's physical records.

[Pocket Dogs!]

Someone should tell Manny the truth. He ain't using PEDs but he's a bit naive in thinking that losing blood made him lose his first fight to Morales. He already said in that Philippine TV interview that he couldn't drink or eat anything after the 3 vial blood test because he was trying to make weight. Even the doctor told him to eat or drink something so he wouldn't feel weak. But what does he believe? Oh, that it was the blood tests that he did a day before the fight that made him lose.

And how much blood will USADA take from each fighter for each test? A teaspoon. Yes, that's right, a teaspoon!

They're not taking vials of blood from you, Manny. Look what happened 19 days before the Clottey fight. They took a good amount of blood from Manny for testing. The next day, Manny destroyed his sparring partners. Why? Because he could eat an entire bucket of KFC with 3 cups of rice and wash it down with two gallons of water after he took his blood test.

Keep in mind, this is a guy who has to gain weight to make weight. So after any random blood tests he could eat whatever the hell he wants.

So Manny, swallow your pride, buck the **** up, and take the goddamn random blood tests.

The U.S. may be a country where they state, "innocent until proven guilty," but it reality it's more like, "if you don't take this test, you must on something."

[Benny Leonard]

What do you mean who cares, why is it made a point of asking for testing against Manny because Roach trained someone who tested positive but then we shouldn't care for the Oscar fight who he also trained. Your answer is just based upon assumptions.

"Why doesn't boxing even have such a testing in place"?

Because its hasn't moved with the times, there are too many separate en******, governing bodies etc.

HIV testing wasn't introduced till the late 90's i believe, how slow is that.



Well if Floyd is such a forward thinker people make him out to be he could have raised the issue after, a non issue may I add.

People are really just believing the propaganda that is being spoon fed too them.

Here is why: Because it is bigger than Floyd at this point. Was it a self-serving reason why Floyd did it? Absolutely; but that's how it starts the ball moving in the right direction to something better. Without him bringing it up, we would not have this issue to talk about so "maybe" the commissions and/or HBO, Showtime, etc. enforce their fighters to get this type of testing done.

The point is; Floyd shouldn't have had to bring it up because Boxing as a whole should have already had such testing in place. It is their failure that led to this fight not taken place because if it was already in place, Floyd would have nothing to ***** about and neither would Manny.


And NO; you don't raise the issue after when the thought of it already is in place. You do it A.S.A.P. and use this fight as an example to set the tone. What better fight than Pac vs. Floyd, two of the biggest stars in boxing today; two ATG fighters; setting the tone of how boxing testing is going to be. This was the perfect fight for it.

Now it starts with Mosley vs. Mayweather jr. instead.

[SherlockHolmes]

Some people are questioning why Mayweather has demanded random blood testing against Pacquiao or Mosley. Out of Mayweather's 40 opponents, he has only demanded random blood testing against those two fighters.

I think the obvious answer to that criticism come from two facts:

1.) It's a well known fact that Pacquiao's trainer, head of Team Pacquiao, has a history of steroids - when he trained James Toney. There's another fighter, a former assistant of Roach, who has a history of steroids as well.

2.) It's also a well known fact that Shane Mosley, a man who passed every drug test through the Nevada State Athletic Commission, was exposed as a user of various performance enhancing drugs through the Balco investigation.

I think it's good judgment to demand additional testing from those two fighters, considering Mosley's background and the background of Freddie Roach. We have also learned, from Pacquiao's nutritionist Alex Ariza, that Pacquiao doesn't know what he takes during training. Those kind of statements are a bit unsettling when the trainer has a history of Illegal substances.

I think Mosley owes it to the fans to take the USADA testing, since he was actually proven to be a cheater. He claims he was tricked into using them and we will never know if that's true, but I have great respect for him - in proving he's no longer using them in the biggest fight of his career.

Pacquiao has never been caught, so his refusal to take the random blood testing shouldn't entirely be looked upon as an act of guilt. He's innocent until proven guilty. I'm not saying he is guilty. It's just that I do understand, fully, why Mayweather would demand the additional testing against him.

Word......

[Slick_Rick]

And NO; you don't raise the issue after when the thought of it already is in place. You do it A.S.A.P. and use this fight as an example to set the tone. What better fight than Pac vs. Floyd, two of the biggest stars in boxing today; two ATG fighters; setting the tone of how boxing testing is going to be. This was the perfect fight for it.

Now it starts with Mosley vs. Mayweather jr. instead.

Well the point was made that Roach could be connected too Roids so why is it a issue when fighting Manny and not Oscar, the Toney incident happened only a few years prior to the fight, why was it not brought up then instead of being dug up now.

It was also mentioned that Oscar would not have given in to any demands as he was calling the shots, that's why I said Floyd could have been brought it up after the fight if it was a possible issue, which I am 99% sure wasn't.

Its all propaganda, but if it helps the sport, then fine.

[tyger]

I bet when Mayweather Sr. made the joke and junior used it as a reason to get out of a dangerous fight, senor had no idea it would lead to so many threads at boxingscene.