Benn: "Jones dodged me", Eubank: "Roy avoided my calls", Collins: "Roy ran scared!",

[OliverNo1]

Roy would have destroyed Nigel Benn with ease. Eubank was clearly downhill and Collins is a bum. He was nothing, never at Roy Jones Jr level. Everyone just takes shots at Jones and try to discredit him, stop the roy jones hating and just realize how great he really was.

Agreed - RJJ gets the bum end of the deal with the fans for some reason. He would have absolutely destroyed the names mentioned.

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Agreed - RJJ gets the bum end of the deal with the fans for some reason. He would have absolutely destroyed the names mentioned.

I don't think he would have destroyed anyone except for collins, he would have one-sidedly decision them with the boring pit-pat-move and counter style he puts on with dangerous opponents (hop, toney)

[Martin (Top Knowledge)]

I read it carefully the first time around.

I will state my opinion more extensively, so you don't think I overread your posts...

it would not have happened, because the jones that benn would have fought, if they fought when jones was a true 168 fighter (94-95) would have murdered benn with counters.

if benn would have thought jones at the time of the hopkins bout, maybe benn would have beat a 160 fighter, MAYBE

you cannot blame jones for wanting to fight benn, at a similar weight on fight night

I reckon RJJ kept WELL AWAY from Nigel Benn because he knew that Benn was extremely dangerous, (Benn could drag you into a WAR whether you liked it or not!)

RJJ has spent a lot of his career going up and down in weight, picking the IBF belt this time, and the WBC belt that time etc... Because he's looking for the easiest belt, and the easiest fight. RJJ openly admits that he wouldn't fight certain fighters throughout his career saying, "Why fight a guy that's hungry, powerfull, and unbeaten when I can defend my belt against easier fighters?"

That's not the kind of thing you'd hear coming out of the mouth of say Kostya Tszyu for example.

[OliverNo1]

I agree - but lets not build Nigel Benn into some kind of MW/SMW legend, cos he wasnt.

[Martin (Top Knowledge)]

I agree - but lets not build Nigel Benn into some kind of MW/SMW legend, cos he wasnt.

I don't think Nigel Benn will ever go down as a legend!... LOL!...

But he certainly had as much heart as I've seen in any fighter.

And I do think that his style was perfect for disposing of Roy Jones Junior!

[The Troll]

Roy at 168 loses to no one watch a few of his fights there. He beat lots of very good fighters but was always looking for the most money with less risk this is true but he made Viril Hill, HBhop, Gruffin, and Toney look like bums.

Yeah, except one thing there. Jones fought Griffin and Virgill Hill at 175. And he fought Virgil Hill directly the fight after Hlll lost to Michalczewski.

AT 175 Jones avoided all the good fighters. He would never figh Michalczewski, he would never fight Rochigiani, he would never fight Michael Nunn. Like MartinWBC said Jones avoided all the best in every division. He would not fight Calzaghe at 168. He would not fight Michalczewski Rochigiani or Nunn at Lt Heavy etc...

But I remember him fighting alot of bumbs on HBO like that part time boxer full time cop from New York. Instead of Championship caliber oppositition.

[OliverNo1]

I don't think Nigel Benn will ever go down as a legend!... LOL!...

But he certainly had as much heart as I've seen in any fighter.

And I do think that his style was perfect for disposing of Roy Jones Junior!

Sorry i was a bit OTT there - the one thing i would say is that his heart was also overated - as he quit on the stool against Collins.

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Yeah, except one thing there. Jones fought Griffin and Virgill Hill at 175. And he fought Virgil Hill directly the fight after Hlll lost to Michalczewski.

AT 175 Jones avoided all the good fighters. He would never figh Michalczewski, he would never fight Rochigiani, he would never fight Michael Nunn. Like MartinWBC said Jones avoided all the best in every division. He would not fight Calzaghe at 168. He would not fight Michalczewski Rochigiani or Nunn at Lt Heavy etc...

But I remember him fighting alot of bumbs on HBO like that part time boxer full time cop from New York. Instead of Championship caliber oppositition.

this is going to be my last post on this thread cos i am bored of this, so you can all answer what you want I don't care, you (mckay and martinwbc) can keep on pumping up your countrymen (note that I lived in europe from my birth till september (And I will hopefully go back someday, and I am a proud son of parents both born and raised in my country, which I won't name, but is most definitely in Europe):

Virgil Hill
if jones picked on easy money and belts he would not have fought hill after dm, with no belts on the line, instead he dis and stopped him in 4 rounds with a body shot

Rochigiani was nothing special

Nunn was past his prime, I don't know why nunn is constantly broght up as a dodged 175er its beyond me, nunn wasn't a great figter even at 168, moreover he did not have a style that would have been so troublesome for jones, if they fought at 160 prime for prime it would be different but nunn at 175 is not so special

dm
jones ducked dm as much as dm ducked jones, end of the story

calzaghe at 168
if anything it should have been him moving to 175 to face the more estabilished jones, instead of fighting bums at 168 and crying about it

[Martin (Top Knowledge)]

Yeah, except one thing there. Jones fought Griffin and Virgill Hill at 175. And he fought Virgil Hill directly the fight after Hlll lost to Michalczewski.

AT 175 Jones avoided all the good fighters. He would never figh Michalczewski, he would never fight Rochigiani, he would never fight Michael Nunn. Like MartinWBC said Jones avoided all the best in every division. He would not fight Calzaghe at 168. He would not fight Michalczewski Rochigiani or Nunn at Lt Heavy etc...

But I remember him fighting alot of bumbs on HBO like that part time boxer full time cop from New York. Instead of Championship caliber oppositition.

I know what you mean man... How many Glenn Kelly's - Gonzalez's - Clinton Woods - etc did we have to sit through whilst Bernard Hopikns and Joe Calzaghe were jumping up and down wanting to go up in weight and challenge him!

Sorry i was a bit OTT there - the one thing i would say is that his heart was also overated - as he quit on the stool against Collins.

I dunno... He got knocked down a few times in the Gerald McClellan fight and took some MASSIVE blows, but never gave up... And went on to win!

[JUYJUY]

Nigel Benn was totally 'shot it' by the time he lost his title to Malinga (who he'd already beaten in his prime) and would of lost to Roy Jones in 1996 certainly. But in 1993 it would of been an entirely different story.

Chris Eubank was very awkward and would of gave Jones Jr fits with his strange style, he also had a nasty right hand in reserve if needed and I can see him catching Jones Jr under pressure and winning. I can't see Jones Jr beating Eubank unless his chin somehow holds out (Johnson proved Jones Jr's chin was poor all along). I can see Eubank catching him with the right hand (as he often did when under pressure).

Steve Collins was a journeyman boxer from 1986-1994, he wasn't a bruiser he was just a boxer back then. But then he came to Britain, started working under Freddie Roach, hired a psychologist etc, moved up in weight, and called himself 'The Celtic Warrior'.. and that is when he became a world-beater! THAT Collins was awesome, a marauding warrior with a new lease of life, coming forward non-stop and wearing his opponents down with his chin and toughness. He was like a man on a mission when he beat Benn and Eubank, a man posessed, and THAT Collins would of taken Jones Jr to places that he has never been before.

At the end of the day, Jones Jr BLATANTLY avoided Collins and Eubank. That you cannot deny. It's difficult to see Benn beating Jones Jr, but very easy to see Jones Jr having plenty of trouble with Eubank and Collins. I'm sure Roy watched the Eubank-Collins fight and thought "Uhh, no thanks!".

Did you know that Toney was weighing almost 220lbs just 6 weeks before the Jones Jr fight? He had to get down to 168 FFS. But at 160, when Toney weighed no more than 165-170 between fights, that Toney would of beat Jones Jr.

Benn, Eubank and Collins were World Champions at 168 when Jones Jr was at 168, those four made up the top four fighters at 168, so why didn't Jones Jr fight any of them?? Why are you sticking up for him?




(I've just noticed that somebody said Benn wasn't a legend? Well if Nigel Benn is not a legend then I don't know who is! What he did was incredible, Benn travelled over to America won World titles. Respect, man. He always trained his ass off. Benn then became a two-weight World Champion and made 10 defences of his WBC crown - a few years after Benn retired it had changed hands 10 times! Seeing as Benn came from such a tiny country as England, fresh from the streets of East London, I would say that he is a legend.. and Benn is genuinely the most exciting fighter to ever lace them up!!)