Manny Pacquiao or Rocky Marciano? Who's Greater?

[JAB5239]

No lets not forget. But, lets also not forget Joe Louis was shot way past his prime

lets not forget that Ezzard Charles and Archie Moore were MWs who were past their best days.

lets not forget that Joe Walcott was past his best days.

Lets not forget that Rocky Marciano retired instead of facing a top prime HW in Floyd Patterson.

Please lets not forget all that.

Now since I answered your question. Can you answer mine and tell me. Who did Rocky Marciano in their prime that was better than the Barrera was in the first Pacquiao fight?

I don't disagree with you often J, but I disagree with this. When Marciano retired Patterson had yet to really make a dent at heavyweight. Lets not forget when Floyd did win the title he did it over an even older Moore than Rocky fought.

[kadyo's]

No lets not forget. But, lets also not forget Joe Louis was shot way past his prime

lets not forget that Ezzard Charles and Archie Moore were MWs who were past their best days.

lets not forget that Joe Walcott was past his best days.

Lets not forget that Rocky Marciano retired instead of facing a top prime HW in Floyd Patterson.

Please lets not forget all that.

Now since I answered your question. Can you answer mine and tell me. Who did Rocky Marciano in their prime that was better than the Barrera was in the first Pacquiao fight?

I wonder what his comeback would be on this solid post.

[kadyo's]

I don't disagree with you often J, but I disagree with this. When Marciano retired Patterson had yet to really make a dent at heavyweight. Lets not forget when Floyd did win the title he did it over an even older Moore than Rocky fought.

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[The Hammer]

Both great fighters.

Rocky Marciano is underrated, but I voted for Manny Pacquiao.

[tesla_power]

Why are there many Marciano threads now? Lolz.

[edgarg]

Charles still managed to go 15 rounds. Still pretty durable.

No, it just shows exactly how poor Marciano was, the worst heavy champ in history.

[pelonxsoldier28]

is this joke!!!!!!! i love pac-man but come on, this **** is crazy. marciano is in the top 10 atg. pac is in the top 50. you guys can't just throw that out there like that without some type of hours of comparison. come on, what's up with boxing scene? have we fallen that much that everyone agrees with something without a proper analysis? i'm a semi non bias fan, and can take criticism but i do believe this is bull****. and thats comming from a pac-fan.

[Scott9945]

I don't disagree with you often J, but I disagree with this. When Marciano retired Patterson had yet to really make a dent at heavyweight. Lets not forget when Floyd did win the title he did it over an even older Moore than Rocky fought.

People who say that Marciano ducked Patterson forget that Floyd was very young when he fought for the title, and he was also a very carefully protected fighter. He was being brought along to replace Marciano, not fight him. The truth is that unlike Marciano, Patterson really did duck top contenders (Zora Folley, Eddie Machen, Cleveland Williams, etc.).

[JAB5239]

People who say that Marciano ducked Patterson forget that Floyd was very young when he fought for the title, and he was also a very carefully protected fighter. He was being brought along to replace Marciano, not fight him. The truth is that unlike Marciano, Patterson really did duck top contenders (Zora Folley, Eddie Machen, Cleveland Williams, etc.).

Scott, whats your take on Marciano and Valdes and Tommy Jackson? Did he duck them or was the timing just not right. I think a claim could be made for a fight in 55 with Jackson, but I don't think it can be called a duck when he too on Moore instead. Valdes seems to inconsistent during that time frame, but Im really not well versed with his career.

[Scott9945]

Scott, whats your take on Marciano and Valdes and Tommy Jackson? Did he duck them or was the timing just not right. I think a claim could be made for a fight in 55 with Jackson, but I don't think it can be called a duck when he too on Moore instead. Valdes seems to inconsistent during that time frame, but Im really not well versed with his career.

Jab, that was before my time so I have to rely on research and hearsay. Jackson didn't evolve into a contender until 1955, which was the last year of Rocky's career. Even then he already had three loses (including a blowout by Valdes).

Valdes was really inconsistent. He actually lost four straight during Marciano's reign, making any ducking accusations pretty weak.