If Hopkins Beat Jones Jr and then Beat David Haye, Would he a top 10 ATG?

[B.U.R.N.E.R]

You have leonard and hearns too high, and Archie moore way too low. The mongoose is top 12. Duran should be the highest of the 3 80s WW's.

Biased towards Hearns obviously.

Right about the Mongoose.

Just noticed I didnt put Marciano in there at all....

Maybe rightfully so.

[jrosales13]

Another thing is that I feel Monzon gets way too overrated. Look at his resume.

What is wrong with his resume?

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Who did Hagler beat that was so great other than Hearns, and a lightweight in Duran?

A close fight with SRL has to count for something. Those are 3 top 40 guys of all time and it only further enhances the resume. BHOP could be better, but the era he ran wasn't the greatest(what divison truly is great right now compared to back to the day), so you can only judge him off those guys.

[street bully]

What is wrong with his resume?

Nothing wrong with it, it just isn't that great. Personally rate him as the third best middleweight after Hagler and Hopkins. I also feel he loses to either head to head.

[r.burgundy]

Way to ignore all other factors involving some of those wins like how Winky is a career jr MW and arguably won the fight with Hopkins or how if he beats Roy now it means nothing at all, or how Pavlik is really a MW, or how Oscar is also a smaller fighter than him too......Simon Brown? who?

winky didnt arguably win that fight lol and pavlik barely makes weight and is huge for a mw and was a favorite to win

[Southpaw16BF]

Another thing is that I feel Monzon gets way too overrated. Look at his resume.

What?

Wins over Emille Griffith(ATG), Jose Napoles(ATG), Nino Benvanuti(HOF), Bennie Briscoe(One of Phillys Greatest), Valdez(Top Contender and devastating puncher)

7 year reign, 14 title defences and retired champion. Monzon is a lock top 20

[B.U.R.N.E.R]

Ive been critical of Hops as of late. But he waxes top fighters and makes it look easy.

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If we are talking about overrated, lets not forget Jack Johnson. He is not a top 10 fighter of all time.

[jrosales13]

Nothing wrong with it, it just isn't that great. Personally rate him as the third best middleweight after Hagler and Hopkins. I also feel he loses to either head to head.

I disagree think his MW resume is better than both of them especially Hopkins. I would say B-Hop never beat a guy at MW as good as Jose Napoles or Emile Griffith. That is just my opinion. But, anyways you dont rank Greb or SRR in the top 3?

[jrosales13]

If we are talking about overrated, lets not forget Jack Johnson. He is not a top 10 fighter of all time.

Where would you put him at?